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Re: How to stop Piracy?

Spehro Pefhany20 Apr 2006 00:22
>>>If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of
>>>treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Key, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking?

You'd also have to change the attitude of 1.3 bn people. Might be
easier to change the attitudes of the few hundred millions who are
whining about it.  Just one mobile phone company (China Mobile) has
>200 million customers!  It's interesting that, in some ways, the
governments in countries such as China is actually more answerable for
*results* than those in democracies. In free-market democracies, you
supposedly get what you vote for (though you'll probably not be asked
questions that could yield answers that threaten powerful interests
unless there's an even more powerful domestic interest that is
fighting it in public). If things go wrong, it's the market, it's what
you voted for, it's always someone else (or no one at all) that's to
blame. Historically, monarchies and other totalitarian governments
have had lower steady-state  total tax loads than democracies-- part
of the reason a capitalist economic system can do well in conjuction
with such systems.

I don't have a problem with copyright laws one way or the other.. I
could imagine there being very strong or very weak laws. It's not a
moral issue, IMO, just a contract that uses public funds to enable a
passive royalty collection scheme for companies who develop IP.
There are ways to survive and prosper whatever the rules are.

IIRC, the US conveniently ignored the IP owned by England for a couple
of generations until had some of its own to protect internationally
for its own companies. Similarly, when money can start flowing in both
directions you can be pretty sure they'll be more interested in buying
in (or not). Same goes for India and Russia where piracy is
everywhere, and for the ME, where piracy is the highest in the world,
IIRC.  You don't hear much about the latter places because the US is
fixated on a 'containment' policy, and China-bashing is 'in' once
again, including the currency valuation red herring.

BTW, there's a very popular love song* in China that's been performed
by a bunch of different artists. One such artist was a 21-year old
girl named Xiang1-Xiang1. She did it with a PC and a microphone, no
studio, and gave away the music on the internet. She's made a small
fortune from it, and has been signed by the UK music company  EMI and
has released at least one CD.  In a different world she would have
made a big fortune (or, more likely, nothing at all).

* Lao3 Shu3 Ai4 da4 Mi3 (Mouse loves rice). The metaphor loses
something in the translation.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Rich Grise, PLainclothes Hippie19 Apr 2006 20:08
>>If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of
>>treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about.  The topic
> is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change
                                                               ^^^^^^
> the attitude of the Chinese government.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Key, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking?

Thanks!
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John Fields19 Apr 2006 11:45
>>> You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
>>> that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is
>small issue comparing to their police role here and there.

---
We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends'
enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about.  The topic
is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change
the attitude of the Chinese government.
---

>>> Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
>>> who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
>>> you f.cking a.shole.
>
>I guess now is their time. Europian nations were stealing from the
>world for centuries (and still do in some ways).

---
So what?  Two wrongs don't make a right.
---

>What would you do if
>you have 2 bilion of people, mainly poor? You will go to every vilige
>to shot down every small pirate factory when you can't offer something
>better?
>
>Anyway, I don't try to defend the pirates,

---
Of course you do.  You're saying that because they're poor and can't
afford to buy software legally it's OK for them to buy it cheaply
from someone someone who has stolen it.
---

>just the global picture is
>not that simple

---
You don't have a clue.

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eden19 Apr 2006 08:27
>> You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
>> that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from
>> a dog who dug it up and is playing with it.

If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of
treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is
small issue comparing to their police role here and there.

>> Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
>> who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
>> you f.cking a.shole.

I guess now is their time. Europian nations were stealing from the
world for centuries (and still do in some ways). What would you do if
you have 2 bilion of people, mainly poor? You will go to every vilige
to shot down every small pirate factory when you can't offer something
better?

Anyway, I don't try to defend the pirates, just the global picture is
not that simple

Goran

John Fields18 Apr 2006 21:38
>> ---
>> Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

---
You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in
the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which
considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of
recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be
not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from
a dog who dug it up and is playing with it.

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you f.cking a.shole.

Grrrrr....

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Alexander18 Apr 2006 18:38
>> Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre
>> Dame. Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design
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>
> Either that, or kill the pirates.

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

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John Fields18 Apr 2006 13:36
>Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
>Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
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>
>Thank you in advance!

---
Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full
retail price of the item in the injured party's currency.

Either that, or kill the pirates.

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synkore@gmail.com18 Apr 2006 06:32
Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

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