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Re: Mains plugs for 12V DC
| ian field | 26 Sep 2008 21:09 |
>> "Den" >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > used by Telecom in the 70s & 80s in vehicles, trucks, 4wds etc for running > accessories in the field. In the UK, several 12V accessories I've bought recently had car cigar lighter plugs fitted - I generally throw these plugs in a box and replace them with alligator clips. If at some point I wanted to set up a 12V bench distribution system, I could visit the scrapyard and recover some cigar lighter sockets from old car dashboards, although they can probably be had from some component suppliers. IIRC the tyre pump had a 20A fuse and the 240V inverter was something like 35A.
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| Den | 26 Sep 2008 04:50 |
> "Den" >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ..... Phil Yep those are them - also at http://tinyurl.com/4qhugc I think they were used by Telecom in the 70s & 80s in vehicles, trucks, 4wds etc for running accessories in the field.
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| Phil Allison | 26 Sep 2008 04:47 |
"Den"
> Aren't there mains style clipsal/hpm or whatever plugs/sockets with two > pins arranged in a "T" configuration that are intended for DC > applications? Maybe my memory is faulty. **This what you mean ?
http://updates.clipsal.com/ClipsalOnline/ProductInformation.aspx?searchMode=cont ents&first=30&skip=23&contentId=561
** 32 volt, 15 amp AC only it says.
Same issues with tarnishing if used at a lower voltage plus a NASTY arcing issue if used for high current DC.
..... Phil
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| Den | 26 Sep 2008 04:37 |
>> "David L. Jones" >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Dave. Aren't there mains style clipsal/hpm or whatever plugs/sockets with two pins arranged in a "T" configuration that are intended for DC applications? Maybe my memory is faulty.
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| David L. Jones | 26 Sep 2008 04:25 |
> "David L. Jones" > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Thing is, the guy made his living as an electrician !!! When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail I guess!
> Besides being ludicrously DANGEROUS the idea will not work reliably as the > brass plug pins and female socket parts are very prone to tarnishing and > when thick enough this tarnish will fully insulate at 12 volts. Yup. Silly, dangerous, and a poor choice.
So what would other people use as a bench 12V connector for gear? First thing that springs to mind for me would be XLR connectors. Easy to mount a strip of those on a panel, and 16A types are readily available. Get a 4 way type and double up on the pins.
Dave.
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| Phil Allison | 26 Sep 2008 03:58 |
"David L. Jones"
> Check out this months SC. > Someone has mailed in showing off a 12V power plug system for their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't know what's sillier, the idea itself, or SC for actually > publishing it (even with the hammering and warning). ** I believe it is totally illegal to use a 240 volt plug or socket for any other purpose than as a mains connector.
Back when I was a keen model power boat racer, one of the club members showed up at the lakeside with a new 12V starter motor fitted with a standard 3 pin mains plug. He had also fitted a double power point to his tool box to allow connection to the 12 volt battery he kept inside. The other socket allowed him to plug in a 12V fuel pump.
Thing is, the guy made his living as an electrician !!!
Besides being ludicrously DANGEROUS the idea will not work reliably as the brass plug pins and female socket parts are very prone to tarnishing and when thick enough this tarnish will fully insulate at 12 volts.
One of the reasons why the earth pin has to be nickel plated nowadays.
..... Phil
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| David L. Jones | 26 Sep 2008 03:22 |
Check out this months SC. Someone has mailed in showing off a 12V power plug system for their bench - using mains power plugs on all the 12V gear. And he hopes the idea catches on!
I don't know what's sillier, the idea itself, or SC for actually publishing it (even with the hammering and warning).
Dave.
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