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Electronics Forum / Repair / July 2009Garage door openers
I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does not. It just happened yesterday and it seems like we've had some lightning come through the area over the pasr few days as well. Her failure may be more than coincidental. I recall working on a couple of openers several years ago during the Summer months that had damaged photoelectrics after a storm. What I can't remember though is how to positively determine that the photos are bad and not the radio system. I don't know which brand opener we're dealing with if it matters. Can anyone familiar with these systems please offer some insight into this. Thanks very much. Lenny > I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that > the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > anyone familiar with these systems please offer some insight into > this. Thanks very much. Lenny You can buy replacement transmitters & receivers at Home Depot. Older electronics were repairable, but the newer units use proprietary ICs, with rolling security codes. I repaired a lot of the older, tone modulated analog systems 25 to 30 years ago. Dried out electrolytics and shorted rectifiers were the biggest failures, followed by the units drifting out of tune. The receivers I repaired used a dual gate MOSFET in the front end, and lighting popped a lot of them. When they died, you couldn't operate them for more than an inch or two separation. If her battery went dead, it might need reprogrammed so the units are in sync, like remote car door locks.  SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >> I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that >> the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> anyone familiar with these systems please offer some insight into >> this. Thanks very much. Lenny > You can buy replacement transmitters & receivers at Home Depot. >Older electronics were repairable, but the newer units use proprietary >ICs, with rolling security codes. With the crap sold at home depot, you'll be lucky if the remote outlasts a single battery change. Better buy them in lots of 20. > >> I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that > >> the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > With the crap sold at home depot, you'll be lucky if the remote > outlasts a single battery change. Better buy them in lots of 20. If you say so. I've been buying from them for 20 years and have never had any problems, other than something being out of stock. Around here, they beat the hell out of Lowe's, and the older chains, many who are long gone. Scotty's hardware stores, for example were full of rejects, factory seconds, and returns. The employees knew it was crap, and just didn't give a damn. The new remotes & receivers were 'Stanley' the last time I checked. What other brand are you going to recommend, Radio Shack? There aren't many brands available as there was 25 years ago. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>> I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that >>> the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > With the crap sold at home depot, you'll be lucky if the remote > outlasts a single battery change. Better buy them in lots of 20. What are you talking about. I like Home Depot crap. >>>> I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that >>>> the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >What are you talking about. I like Home Depot crap. Same here. Convenient plentiful crap. Just don't expect the transmitter to outlast the battery. The drill is to get a new one, put the old one in the new packaging and return it for a refund. Get a new transmitter with every battery change. >>>>>I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that >>>>>the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > put the old one in the new packaging and return it for a refund. Get > a new transmitter with every battery change. Oh so you're the one screwing the next Home Depot innocent customer :) >>>>>> I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says >>>>>> that [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> a new transmitter with every battery change. > Oh so you're the one screwing the next Home Depot innocent customer :) Only if Home Depot are misrepresenting returns goods as being new. But what the previous poster is proposing is of course fraud. If he's doing it, one day he may get caught and prosecuted. Sylvia. >>>>>>> I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says >>>>>>> that [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Only if Home Depot are misrepresenting returns goods as being new. And you think they don't do that? Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > But what the previous poster is proposing is of course fraud. If he's > doing it, one day he may get caught and prosecuted. > > Sylvia. > Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. So you think they have vacuum forming equipment and heat sealers in the back of every Home Depot? Defective merchandise is returned to the vendor, or scrapped. I've known people who worked at home Depot who's job was to sort and process the returns, they deal with the OEM. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > > So you think they have vacuum forming equipment and heat sealers in >the back of every Home Depot? Heh. They did at the local office supply place last time I was there, except not in the back. The shrink-wrap equipment was in the front of the store, in plain sight right behind the registers. Caveat emptor. SignatureRich Webb Norfolk, VA > >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > except not in the back. The shrink-wrap equipment was in the front of > the store, in plain sight right behind the registers. Caveat emptor. Where does Home Depot get the custom replacement vacuum formed plastic shells to heat seal? I'm not talking about shrink wrap. If you have proof of a business selling returns as new, report them to the Federal Trade Commission, and give them a copy the evidence. Otherwise, you are just talking out your a.s. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >> >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> except not in the back. The shrink-wrap equipment was in the front of >> the store, in plain sight right behind the registers. Caveat emptor. > Where does Home Depot get the custom replacement vacuum formed >plastic shells to heat seal? I'm not talking about shrink wrap. If you >have proof of a business selling returns as new, report them to the >Federal Trade Commission, and give them a copy the evidence. Otherwise, >you are just talking out your a.s. Home depot doesn't care enough to go to such lengths. They simply return to the manufacturer or destroy all returns and simply sell the next fresh shipment of crap. > >> >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to the manufacturer or destroy all returns and simply sell the next fresh > shipment of crap. It seems that no matter who is selling what, according to you, its crap. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >> >> >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> to the manufacturer or destroy all returns and simply sell the next fresh >> shipment of crap. > It seems that no matter who is selling what, according to you, its >crap. Not at all. Just items that can't outlast a single battery change. > >> >> >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Not at all. Just items that can't outlast a single battery change. I've never seen anything to that, and I've worked in electronics over 40 years. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > except not in the back. The shrink-wrap equipment was in the front of > the store, in plain sight right behind the registers. Caveat emptor. Yes, Best Buy does that also, only they make mistakes and shrink wrap items that were never sold that way in the first place. > >>> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yes, Best Buy does that also, only they make mistakes and shrink wrap > items that were never sold that way in the first place. The local Best Buy has a section of open box returns. Computers, and some other items are shipped with a 'tamper proof seal' on the carton. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > > So you think they have vacuum forming equipment and heat sealers in > the back of every Home Depot? Defective merchandise is returned to the > vendor, or scrapped. I've known people who worked at home Depot who's > job was to sort and process the returns, they deal with the OEM. Sure what ever you say, after all, you know everything there is and no one else knows anything. It's just like you to put your foot in mouth no matter how wrong you are just to satisfy your stubbiness and ignorant personally. I hope you enjoy portraying your self as a dumb a.s.. For your information, I know some one here locally that works at a Home Depot and yes, they restock items on the shelf that were returned from customers that claim it to be defective. All they do is perform a visual cosmetic inspection and if it looks good, it goes back out for sale for the next victim. They do this in hopes that they will either return it late or return it to another store or maybe the customer just didn't want it. Think before you post!... It may improve your posture. > >> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Think before you post!... It may improve your posture. Hearsay evidence, or fact? If it is a fact you should report them to the Federal Trade Commission. BTW, an electret microphone still isn't a crystal microphone, like you've claimed on other electronics newsgroups. You claim that everything ever sold by ECG & NTE was shipped defective. You've claimed that the place where you work as an 'engineer' continues to use chemicals long banned by the EPA, then you call me a liar? SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>>> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 'engineer' continues to use chemicals long banned by the EPA, then you > call me a liar? Your ignorant response to the above only goes to show your lack of real world experience.. Why don't you get out of that closet of yours and actually look around for change.. It appears you are what we call at work "Shoulder Educated". Most people here that actually have real hands on experience , dealing with the likes of you, knows exactly what I'm talking about. You can continue with your cynical remarks as you wish, but It only serves to make it obvious that you are oblivious to reality. You speak like every one out there that provides a service or products are operated by those sent by God and abide by the rules of the Holy Grail. Well, I have news for you, You could be wrong in that aspect!. Oh no, that can't be. > >>>> Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Your ignorant response to the above only goes to show your lack of real > world experience.. Yawn. More ignorant 'jamie' lies. > Why don't you get out of that closet of yours and actually look > around for change.. What closet? More ignorant 'jamie' lies. > It appears you are what we call at work "Shoulder Educated". Most > people here that actually have real hands on experience , dealing with > the likes of you, knows exactly what I'm talking about. You are what we called the janitor at work, because all you do is push things around with a dirty mop. > You can continue with your cynical remarks as you wish, but It only > serves to make it obvious that you are oblivious to reality. You wouldn't know reality, even though its all around you. > You speak like every one out there that provides a service or products > are operated by those sent by God and abide by the > rules of the Holy Grail. Well, I have news for you, You could be wrong > in that aspect!. I hope Home Depot's lawyers scan usenet looking for people like you. A clown like you on another newsgroup was claiming to sell home made Caig De-Oxit contact cleaner. He got a cease and desist letter from Caig's lawyers. They didn't care that he was an old man who was shilling homemade crap to hobbyists, he was slandering their corporate name just like you are doing to Home Depot. They have deep pockets. Can you afford a lawsuit? > Oh no, that can't be. Jamie, you are a pathetic joke. Your misinformation and lies are all over the Usenet archives. You refuse to tell anyone where you claim to work as an engineer. That means either that you are lying, or have been in trouble over your online antics already. For a so called 'engineer', you are pig ignorant about the way things work in the real world. Our laws and legal system has a huge impact on designs, yet you claim to use illegal chemicals, AC outlets above their rated voltage, and all kinds of other things that would put that place out of business. You were laughed out of news:sci.electronics.design for your ignorance. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>>>>>Home Depot and the likes are not innocent from that practice either. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > You were laughed out of news:sci.electronics.design for your > ignorance. Oh, so that's your final say, it's always lawyers, Lawsuits etc.. Making arrest, putting people in jail, should I go on? Talk about some one being pathetic, I find it hard to think I'm actually wasting my time replying to this dogma propaganda your generating out that hole of yours. You are a piece of work. Any one that really wants to know where I work and what I do can find that information them self's. Most people that really are in touch with how things work in the real world would know how to do that. Secondly, I've already made several post in the past that should pretty much indicate on what type of work I am currently doing and what I've done. Have a miserable day. > Oh, so that's your final say, it's always lawyers, Lawsuits etc.. Making > arrest, putting people in jail, should I go on? You always do, even when you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > Talk about some one being pathetic, I find it hard to think I'm > actually wasting my time replying to this dogma propaganda your > generating out that hole of yours. > > You are a piece of work. And you are a chunk of stinking effluent. > Any one that really wants to know where I work and what I do can find > that information them self's. Most people that really are in touch with > how things work in the real world would know how to do that. You're losing it, and slipping back into sloppy writing. > Secondly, I've already made several post in the past that should pretty > much indicate on what type of work I am currently doing and what I've done. Only vague claims to work for a defense contractor as an engineer, yet from what you write, you wouldn't make a good janitor. > Have a miserable day. Why would I want to be like you and have miserable days? You are the sorriest, most miserable loser on Usenet. For once, I agree with Phil Allison. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>Oh, so that's your final say, it's always lawyers, Lawsuits etc.. Making >>arrest, putting people in jail, should I go on? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > sorriest, most miserable loser on Usenet. For once, I agree with Phil > Allison. You would agree with him, your type normally hang together. And personally, Phil really does not bother me, I take it more as amusement than anything else. At least he sticks to his standards. It's no surprise to me in any case, ship jumpers usually go on what ever side it suits them at the time. Or in other words "What ever side the grass is greener" You should decide on what faiths to stick to. Kind of hard to earn any respect for some one that can't hold their own ground. On Jul 2, 11:57 am, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote: > >>Oh, so that's your final say, it's always lawyers, Lawsuits etc.. Making > >>arrest, putting people in jail, should I go on? [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I didn't mean to start this. I was only trying to fix an old lady's garage door system. Anyway thanks for the advice fellas. Lenny. > I didn't mean to start this. I was only trying to fix an old lady's > garage door system. Anyway thanks for the advice fellas. Lenny. Its not your fault Lenny. 'Jamie' has benn pulling this crap for a long time. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>I didn't mean to start this. I was only trying to fix an old lady's >>garage door system. Anyway thanks for the advice fellas. Lenny. > > Its not your fault Lenny. 'Jamie' has benn pulling this crap for a > long time. You may notice I focus that energy to a very narrow audience. > >>I didn't mean to start this. I was only trying to fix an old lady's > >>garage door system. Anyway thanks for the advice fellas. Lenny. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > You may notice I focus that energy to a very narrow audience. Focus? That's a laugh. You make a splatter gun look like a CNC controlled cutting laser. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>>>I didn't mean to start this. I was only trying to fix an old lady's >>>>garage door system. Anyway thanks for the advice fellas. Lenny. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Focus? That's a laugh. You make a splatter gun look like a CNC > controlled cutting laser. So what you're saying is, I can take crap and turn it into something useful? You are after my heart! I'm blushing. :) Touché > So what you're saying is, I can take crap and turn it into something > useful? > > You are after my heart! I'm blushing. No, but you're great at taking something useful and turning it into crap. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >>So what you're saying is, I can take crap and turn it into something >>useful? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, but you're great at taking something useful and turning it into > crap. Is that the effect I had on you? Don't blame me for your down fall. > >>So what you're saying is, I can take crap and turn it into something > >>useful? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Don't blame me for your down fall. You always try to take too much credit, moron. I have had a downfall, but you are a never was. Tell me something. You claim Home depot routinely breaks federal law by reselling defective goods, yet that have grown to the largest home improvement chain in the world. How the hell could they stay in business if people brought back everything they bought? BTW, right now, both Lowe's and Home Depot give a 10% discount to US veterans. Too bad that you are a coward who never served. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >Only if Home Depot are misrepresenting returns goods as being new. It is a violation of federal law to return a 'returned' item to stock if the item has been opened, tampered with, or could have been alterened in any way by the party returning it. This provision is often ignored by many stores. This provision is always ignored by HD, and a couple of other stores that will remain unnamed! <bg> >But what the previous poster is proposing is of course fraud. If he's >doing it, one day he may get caught and prosecuted. Or, we can hope that that 'new' one he bought was the same broken one he returned six weeks ago! >I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that >the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >anyone familiar with these systems please offer some insight into >this. Thanks very much. Lenny If I'm not mistaken the remotes by design stop working if the photo cells are mis-aligned or dirty. On Jun 27, 11:54 pm, t...@mucks.net wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:54:25 -0700 (PDT), > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > If I'm not mistaken the remotes by design stop working if the photo > cells are mis-aligned or dirty. The unit was a 1992 Craftsman brand opener. There are no dip switches. The transmitters are "learned" into the receiver. There were two remotes with this system. The photo cells were working, btw. One remote she keeps in a drawer so it is rarely used. I made sure the batteries were good and tried each transmitter. Neither remote activated the onboard led on the receiver board. I then tried erasing the codes and then reprogramming the receiver. It still wouldn't work. With two transmitters doing this the problem is probably the receiver however you can't really tell if the transmitters are putting out can you? So how would you determine if both transmitters are good or if the receiver were good? Without being able to duplicate the modulation scheme, the best I could do if I could determine the operating frequency would be to hit this thing with a burst of CW from a signal generator. I know that this would not operate the door but would it disturb the onboard led thereby indicating the presence of RF being received? How about if I take the transmitters and put them in close proximity to my counter and if the transmission duration is long enough I should be able to read the carrier? Lenny. Snip, snip... > The unit was a 1992 Craftsman brand opener. There are no dip switches. > The transmitters are "learned" into the receiver. There were two [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > proximity to my counter and if the transmission duration is long > enough I should be able to read the carrier? Lenny. The OEM /might/ be Chamberlain LiftMaster. The Receiver board /may/ operate at 315MHz. Replacement receiver boards may run about $90USD. A whole new DIY install is under $200USD. If you can get an exact Sears Craftsman model/part number from the opener's label, more detailed information could be forthcoming. Belt, chain, screw or direct drive? HTH Pete Signature1PW @?6A62?FEH9:DE=6o2@=]4@> [r4o7t] > So how would you determine if both transmitters are good Spectrum analizer would be one way. Or even a scope capable of the frequencies the remote transmitter uses might be viable. >or if >the receiver were good? Test the transmitters, if they are good, then the receiver has failed. >Without being able to duplicate the modulation >scheme, the best I could do if I could determine the operating >frequency would be to hit this thing with a burst of CW from a signal >generator. I know that this would not operate the door but would it >disturb the onboard led Unlikely to do anything. >thereby indicating the presence of RF being >received? How about if I take the transmitters and put them in close >proximity to my counter and if the transmission duration is long >enough I should be able to read the carrier? Lenny. Maybe, if your counter is sensitive enough. Long shot, IMHO. Do the manual buttons work? If yes, get a new receiver and you should be happy: you will have the advantage of new security techniques that were not available in 1992. > On Jun 27, 11:54 pm, t...@mucks.net wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:54:25 -0700 (PDT), [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > proximity to my counter and if the transmission duration is long > enough I should be able to read the carrier? Lenny. It probaly is too short of a burst to read the actual frequency, but it should show RF output. If you try it, used the fastest timbase availible in your counter to improve your chances of reading. I used a UHF mixer diode and a short piece of wire to the input on my scope for a quick test, when I was repairing the equipment for a garage door opener company. The Sears units made at that time used custom ICs in the transmitters, so you might luck out and find a pwere supply problem in the reciever. The success trate was very low in repairing those systems. The standard repair was a new reciever, connected across the push button controls, rather than buy another over priced control board that couldn't be repaired. The old '60s & '70s 'Linear' brand controls were very good, and easy to repair. He had thousands of customers, and I did batches of them for him, so he would have a spare in stock. A Chamberlain Universal Radio Control Replacement Kit, with one remote is $49.97. How much time do you want to spend on a dead 17 year old unit with little chance of success? <http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051& langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100431670&N=10000003+90401> --------- http://www.chamberlain-diy.com/doityourself/pages/productmodeldetail.aspx?modelI d=1477 is a prgrammable universal transmitter for garage door openers. Clicker® Universal Remote Control KLIK1U If you need to replace a lost or broken remote control, or just want to complement your existing garage access system, the new Clicker® Universal Remote Control is the perfect single-source solution. It is designed to work with a variety of brands of garage door openers to give you convenient, secure access to your garage and home. With it, you can operate two different garage door manufacturers and/or frequencies at the same time, so it's like having two remote controls in one. A single coin cell battery is included. Replaces lost garage door opener remote control, or adds an extra remote for multi-car families Dual frequency/dual manufacturer design operates 1 or 2 garage doors even if they're different brands Attaches to your car visor Easy to program 1-year limited warranty Compatible with the following brands: Genie® Linear/Moore-o-Matic® Stanley® Overhead Door® Wayne-Dalton® Craftsman® Chamberlain® LiftMaster® 300/310/315/372/390 MHz compatible http://www.chamberlain-diy.com/doityourself/pdfdocs/114A3485.pdf is the manual. <http://www.chamberlain-diy.com/doityourself/CatalogResources/Docs/ProductModel/C lickerRemote.wmv> shows you how to program it. <http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051& langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100609179&N=10000003+90401> is priced $29.97. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! <snipped> > Clicker® Universal Remote Control > > KLIK1U > I purchased one of these from Home Depot to replace a stolen Stanley remote. It worked, but the quality was mediocre and the unit's range was considerably less than the Stanley. > <snipped> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > remote. It worked, but the quality was mediocre and the unit's range was > considerably less than the Stanley. I was thinking it would be useful to test the recievers. SignatureYou can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! >The unit was a 1992 Craftsman brand opener. There are no dip switches. >The transmitters are "learned" into the receiver. There were two [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >proximity to my counter and if the transmission duration is long >enough I should be able to read the carrier? Lenny. Could you try programming a learning remote with your suspect ones? It wouldn't matter if the original was a code hopping type -- you would only need to determine whether there was any response to transmission. BTW, you may be able to get parts from Sears: http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/getModel!retrieve.pd?modelNumber= User Manuals are available here: http://www.managemyhome.com/mmh/owner_manuals/search?query=craftsman+garage+door +opener - Franc Zabkar SignaturePlease remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. I just purchased some universal replacement SkyLink opener TX/RX products that replace the manual GDO pushbutton, which you said was still working. The package inludes a transmitter and a receiver/switch module. The small RX module has it's own manual push switch, plus a coded receiver that learns codes from up to 15 TX remotes (only SkyLink transmitters, I assume). The RX/switch module is simply spliced into the existing manual switch leads. Power for the module is attained from the existing switch leads. If the GDO is so old that there is inadequate voltage at the existing switch leads, a 12VDC wall adapter is used to supply power to the SkyLink RX/switch module. The keychain-type TX device is a standard 1-button device that uses an A23 battery. These kits were priced at $2.97 on the clearance table at that Shack store. http://www.skylinkhome.com/us/products/gdo/garage_door_opener_and_universal_remo tes.html -- Cheers, WB ............. >I was asked to look at an old lady's garage door opener. She says that > the opener works from the button inside the garage but the remote does [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > anyone familiar with these systems please offer some insight into > this. Thanks very much. Lenny |
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