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Power 230V 50Hz 460watts on USA power, where to buy?

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edavid3001@gmail.com - 24 May 2005 15:27 GMT
I have an automatic wash bay that is being shipped in from Italy.  I've
received the custom computer circuits already for testing, and they are
powered at 230V 50HZ and draw ~1A  X 2 devices.

These circuits are in a closed box and include a badge card reader, a
RS485 -> RS232 chip, various specialized computer chips, a lamp rated
at 50HZ, several relays including Omron MY2 220/240VAC (S) and a row of
other relays that I cannot identify, a pizzo for sound, several circuit
breakers, and a Telemecanique ABL7 RM1202 power converter that takes
100-240VAC and turns it into 12VDC.

Obviously the DC circuits are not a problem, but my concern is the
relays, and other potentially frequency sensitive parts.  The AC input
junction directly feeds to several of these circuits.

While I am tempted to just buy a 110V -> 230V AC-AC converter, this is
not cheap hardware.  I would rather purchase something that both
converts 110V to 230V and 60HZ to 50HZ.

I am not an electronics guy.  I am a computer programmer.  While I have
some electronics classes under by belt, I would want to purchase such
equipment.  But I don't know where to look.  Google searching has not
found me anything.

Any links?

Edwin Davidson
Vidar Løkken - 24 May 2005 15:53 GMT
> These circuits are in a closed box and include a badge card reader, a
> RS485 -> RS232 chip, various specialized computer chips, a lamp rated
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> relays, and other potentially frequency sensitive parts.  The AC input
> junction directly feeds to several of these circuits.

Check the relays. Most relays I've seen say 50/60Hz. The lamp is not a
problem.
What other parts is there that feeds from AC?
I guess it'd work fine with 60Hz... Inductances will get less power at
60Hz, since the frequency is higher, but minimal difference. So you
won't burn anything I guess.

And the power converter takes 110VAC and turns into 12VDC, so it should
be fine with 110VAC.

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Fred McKenzie - 24 May 2005 19:20 GMT
> I have an automatic wash bay that is being shipped in from Italy.  I've
> received the custom computer circuits already for testing, and they are
> powered at 230V 50HZ and draw ~1A  X 2 devices.

Edwin-

In most cases, equipment designed for 50 Hz should work at 60 Hz with no
problem.  The trouble occurs when going the other way.  A 60 Hz
transformer or relay coil may draw more current when fed with 50 Hz power
because they have less iron and/or less wire in them.

However, the relays might be part of a voltage-sensing system that
automatically switches the setup between 120 and 240 Volts.  If so, a 240
Volt 50 Hz relay might respond to 120 Volts 60 Hz when it shouldn't.

The equipment you describe sounds like something that would be used in an
industrial setting.  If you have a plant electrician or engineer to set up
the equipment, they should be able to provide the necessary power feed.
One thing to consider is using 240 Volts instead of 120, since the 120
Volts is normally half of a 240 circuit.

Fred
 
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