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ghb624 - 17 Jun 2008 19:13 GMT
The item in photo is a coil of 20-gauge copper wire (with enamel or
varnish insulation), is 12 inches in diameter, weighs close to 5
pounds and has a resistance of about 25 ohms. The coil is wrapped with
electrical tape. Appears to have been homemade. Found it in a box of
electrical odds & ends which I rescued, to keep some potentially
good (?) stuff from going to the landfill.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghb624/2587999848/
Bob Myers - 17 Jun 2008 19:29 GMT
> The item in photo is a coil of 20-gauge copper wire (with enamel or
> varnish insulation), is 12 inches in diameter, weighs close to 5
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> good (?) stuff from going to the landfill.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghb624/2587999848/

A couple of thoughts on the possible intended use -

- Sense coil  for a home-brew metal detector.

- Degauss coil for use with CRT monitors, TVs., etc..

Bob M.
Baron - 17 Jun 2008 21:08 GMT
> "ghb624" <jerryb44@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c53c3ebc-e4bf-4323-852a-a934b6505dd3@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> The item in photo is a coil of 20-gauge copper wire (with enamel or
>> varnish insulation), is 12 inches in diameter, weighs close to 5
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>
> Bob M.

I would have gone with a degaussing coil !  It looks a bit like the ones
we had 30 odd years ago.  Having said that when I was at school I
recall some apparatus with a similar coil used for demonstrating the
principles of magnetism.

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ghb624 - 17 Jun 2008 22:41 GMT
It does look a good bit like commercially available degaussing coils.
With CRT monitors being well on the way toward the same end as the
dinosaurs, it's probably not worth even experimenting to see if it
works for that task. Also, if my measurement of 25 ohms is right, it
would pull about 4.5 amps when hooked up to 115 vac outlet. Guess that
would make me a little nervous. Possibly a very brief activation is
all it takes though.
Anyway, thanks much. Maybe the best use for this item is taking it to
the metal recycler!
John Fields - 19 Jun 2008 19:31 GMT
>It does look a good bit like commercially available degaussing coils.
>With CRT monitors being well on the way toward the same end as the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>would make me a little nervous. Possibly a very brief activation is
>all it takes though.

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For the current:

#20 AWG weighs about 3lb. per 1000', so 5lb. would be:

    3lb       5lb
  ------- = ------- = 1667 feet long
   1000'       x'

A 12" diameter loop has a circumference of

   C = pi * D ~ 37.7"

So the loop has:

         1667' * 12"
    N = ------------ ~ 530 turns
           37.7"  

on it.

Now, go to:

http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=util_inductance_circle

and fill in the boxes:

N  =  530      turns
R  =  0.152    meter (radius of circle)
a  =  0.000081 meter (radius of wire)
µr =  1              (relative permeability of air)

Click on "calculate" and 0.3216537332062735 will come up, so your coil
has an inductance of about 322 millihenries.


At 60 Hz it'll have a reactance of:

    Xl = 2 pi f L = 6.28 * 60Hz * 0.322H ~ 121.3 ohms

and, since it has a resistance of 25 ohms, it'll have an impedance of:

    Z = sqrt (R² + Zl²) = sqrt (625 + 14714) ~ 124 ohms.

The current through it then, will be:

         E     120V
    I = --- = ------ = 0.967 amperes.
         Z     124R

Since the reactive part of the impedance is lossless, the slick part
is that the coil will only be dissipating power in its resistance, and
with 967 milliamperes going through its 25 ohms, that comes out to:

    P = I²R = 0.967A² * 25R ~ 23 watts.

So, while it'll warm up somewhat, I'd bet that it wouldn't get
can't-keep-my-finger-on-it hot no matter how long you left it
connected to the mains.
---

>Anyway, thanks much. Maybe the best use for this item is taking it to
>the metal recycler!

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Seems like a shame... ;)

JF
ghb624 - 20 Jun 2008 19:29 GMT
Wow, another example of what an amazing network of expertise one can
tap into via the net, specifically, through Google groups!  Thanks
much, John.
Tom2000 - 24 Jun 2008 19:54 GMT
>Wow, another example of what an amazing network of expertise one can
>tap into via the net, specifically, through Google groups!  Thanks
>much, John.

Those old degaussing coils have found new life as tool demagnetizers.
If it doesn't explode the first time you plug it in, hang on to it.

Tom
 
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