>>Has anyone designed a lab-quality lock-in amplifier?
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>injection shouldn't be a big deal. The resistors will need to be very
>good to hold 1 ppm gain. VERY good.
It's gotta be sinusoidal excitation, which complicates things.
>1 ppm of 10 mV is of course 10 nV, so I hope you can amplify ahead of
>the synchronous detector stage.
>
>John
Yes, but I don't think tranformers will be stable enough.
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hrh1818 - 24 Jul 2008 21:23 GMT
On Jul 24, 1:24 pm, Spehro Pefhany <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:15:15 -0700, John Larkin
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> It's gotta be sinusoidal excitation, which complicates things.
Sinusoidal excitation is not a problem as you could a phase sensitive
demodulator to recover your signal. As I see it your biggest problem
is building a very low noise narrow bandwidth stable preamplifier to
get your signal up to a respectful level for use with your phase
sensitive demodulator.
Howard
> >1 ppm of 10 mV is of course 10 nV, so I hope you can amplify ahead of
> >the synchronous detector stage.
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Spehro Pefhany - 24 Jul 2008 21:53 GMT
>On Jul 24, 1:24 pm, Spehro Pefhany <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
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>Howard
I'm thinking the demodulation is going to have to be done in the
digital domain, and it's a lot of bits wide.
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Joerg - 24 Jul 2008 21:34 GMT
>>> Has anyone designed a lab-quality lock-in amplifier?
>>>
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> Yes, but I don't think tranformers will be stable enough.
If it's not a total secret, what exactly do you want to achieve with
this? Maybe there are other options.
I had that once at a client. Insurmountable noise issue, just couldn't
get low enough. Then I asked whether we can modulate that and work it
off in an RF band that's rarely used. Long silence. Then "Dang! That's it!".

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John Larkin - 24 Jul 2008 22:08 GMT
>>>Has anyone designed a lab-quality lock-in amplifier?
>>>
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>
>It's gotta be sinusoidal excitation, which complicates things.
Yikes! you'll have to use a linear multiplier at ppm precision, or
square up the sime to ppm precision.
Charge a lot for this one.
>>1 ppm of 10 mV is of course 10 nV, so I hope you can amplify ahead of
>>the synchronous detector stage.
>>
>>John
>
>Yes, but I don't think tranformers will be stable enough.
Not many things will.
Maybe you could digitize with an 18-bit SAR converter and process
digitally. I assume you've gotta diditize eventually.
John
Joerg - 24 Jul 2008 22:46 GMT
>>>> Has anyone designed a lab-quality lock-in amplifier?
>>>>
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> Maybe you could digitize with an 18-bit SAR converter and process
> digitally. I assume you've gotta diditize eventually.
Spehro will have to, or modulate the signal onto something right there.
Handling 10nV over anything lengthy won't work, except maybe in the
arctic sea with no thunderstorms within a 1000 mile radius. I just had
such a pleasure and we had to shield the dickens out of it.

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