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Electronics Forum / CAD / June 2008Simulation Device... Keyed Peak Detector
I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed Peak Detector... Finds the maximum peak value of an input voltage while it's enabled ("keyed"), and "dumps"/outputs zero when not enabled. Any ideas? (Ideal elements) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave > I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed > Peak Detector... Ask someone at IPCC. They'll find every peak even if it ain't there :-) SCNR. > Finds the maximum peak value of an input voltage while it's enabled > ("keyed"), and "dumps"/outputs zero when not enabled. > > Any ideas? > > (Ideal elements) Aside from math, can't you use a buffer with (near) zero Zout, an ideal diode, a wee cap? Then when it's keyed off use a FET with 1 femto-ohm Rdson to short out the cap.  SignatureRegards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. >> I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >> Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >diode, a wee cap? Then when it's keyed off use a FET with 1 femto-ohm >Rdson to short out the cap. Except that ideal diodes tend not to converge. I'm looking for some mathematical method that is "smooth" ;-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave >>> I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>> Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Except that ideal diodes tend not to converge. I'm looking for some > mathematical method that is "smooth" ;-) Maybe you can start with this scenario: http://www.spectrum-soft.com/news/summer2007/peak.shtm SignatureRegards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. Jim Thompson a écrit : >>> I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>> Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Except that ideal diodes tend not to converge. I'm looking for some > mathematical method that is "smooth" ;-) A limited high gain VCVS used as "comparator", a smooth tanh switch and a zero soakage cap? Don't know if the two first exist in PSPICE. SignatureThanks, Fred. > Jim Thompson a écrit : >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Don't know if the two first exist in PSPICE. In SPICE one can simulate a deliciuous meal that has almost zero calories, no fat and will not add one gram of weight to your body. Then when you actually cook and eat it the cholesterol shoots way up. SignatureRegards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. >Jim Thompson a écrit : >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Don't know if the two first exist in PSPICE. Great minds think alike ;-) I'm working along the lines of a VCCS with the current that is offset TANH, for good convergence. ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave >Jim Thompson a écrit : >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Don't know if the two first exist in PSPICE. Newsgroups: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic Subject: TANH Rectifier (From SED) - TANH-Rectifier.pdf Message-ID: <5qpt341224aj2dncuattqv3o88c84mb9t3@4ax.com> ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave >>> I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>> Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson Why not fudge a regular diode to be almost ideal, and put a gain of a million in front? LT Spice doesn't seem to have an ideal diode. Hey, why not make an ideal diode from a voltage-controlled switch? John >>> Aside from math, can't you use a buffer with (near) zero Zout, an ideal >>> diode, a wee cap? Then when it's keyed off use a FET with 1 femto-ohm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why not fudge a regular diode to be almost ideal, and put a gain of a > million in front? Well, that is the usual way that one makes an "ideal" diode in the real world... put a real diode in the feedback path of an opamp and let the negative feedback take care of the details. -Chuck >>>> I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>>> Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > LT Spice doesn't seem to have an ideal diode. Hello John, try this one in LTspice. .model DID D(Vfwd=0 Ron=1m Roff=1G) Best regards, Helmut > Hey, why not make an ideal diode from a voltage-controlled switch? > > John > I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed > Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? That sounds like the old 'Keyed AGC' on TVs. A pulse from the flyback set a reference once each line, then the detected signal level was used to set the RF & IF gain. Signaturehttp://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. >> I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >> Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > set a reference once each line, then the detected signal level was used > to set the RF & IF gain. It's the other way around, like the fast-attack/slow-release AGC in single sideband receivers. Except that Jim wants to reset it when keyed off. I rarely have to use that in SPICE but stuff like this I mostly fudge out of real parts with the important values at the extremes, where the computer doesn't beep and the results are still reasonably accurate. SignatureRegards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. > > That sounds like the old 'Keyed AGC' on TVs. A pulse from the flyback > > set a reference once each line, then the detected signal level was used > > to set the RF & IF gain. > > It's the other way around, like the fast-attack/slow-release AGC in > single sideband receivers. Except that Jim wants to reset it when keyed off. The concept was the same though. You had a fixed reference level to compare the signal to, and used the recovered peak as needed. > I rarely have to use that in SPICE but stuff like this I mostly fudge > out of real parts with the important values at the extremes, where the > computer doesn't beep and the results are still reasonably accurate. Signaturehttp://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. >I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson !@#$%&* Right under my nose... built-in macros ENVMAX and ENVMIN :-( ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave >>I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson That may or may not be PSpice specific. I thought about it some. Start with a "standard" track and hold, add a fast comparator to convert to a peak and hold (two if you want both peaks). Add some enable circuitry to handle any ADC converter setup and hold times and data transfer as needed.. Did something like this about 20 years ago for what was then Hughes EDSG. Location of the analog / digital boundary is engineer choice. >>>I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>>Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >boundary is engineer choice. > I created an ideal diode with a TANH smoothness _ before_ I stumbled onto the macro... produces the same results, but slower in simulation. ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave >>>>I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>>>Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson Maybe you could post example circuits on your website. Preferably LTSpice circuits as well. >>>>>I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>>>>Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >LTSpice circuits as well. > I believe Mikey said that LTspice can read in PSpice schematics?? I'll post it later. ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave >>>>>>I want to build an ideal device for use in PSpice simulations, a Keyed >>>>>>Peak Detector... [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson Posted at... Newsgroups: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic Subject: For sci.electronics.cad Question - PeakDetAndDump.pdf Message-ID: <q26844tqefe4c3qv6i0ntogpbi0f0ujugs@4ax.com> Took awhile. We had one of those "events" last night. Wife got an enormous nosebleed. Finally convinced her we needed to take her to an Urgent Care provider. Cauterization didn't work, so they inserted a balloon-like inflatable device (they called it a "rocket" :-) up her nose, and we went back 3.5 hours later and they removed it... bleeding stopped. ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave |
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