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massic80 - 22 May 2008 13:54 GMT
Hi everybody!
An electrician friend of mine asked me about some CAD software for
electric (not electronics) facilites.
I don't know how to say that in english, but he just has to draw the
"schematics" of wires plugs, devices, etc he will install into a flat.
I know this newsgroup is for electronics, but I hope you know also about
those applications (and maybe some are for both the uses).
It would be obviously better if you indicated me some open source
programs, or at least applications available also in italian, but
whatever U know is good for me ;-)
Thanks in advance!
Massi
John Devereux - 22 May 2008 15:17 GMT
> Hi everybody!
> An electrician friend of mine asked me about some CAD software for
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks in advance!
> Massi

There is specialist commercial software for producing wiring
diagrams. But I use the schematic entry facilities of my PCB CAD
system. You can probably abuse most other PCB CAD systems in the same
way, for example creating fake "components" to act as end-points for
all the wires.

So I would think geda or Eagle could be used. Or maybe easier to learn
would be a general vector graphics editor with "connectors"
support. You could try Inkscape, or dia.

All open source except Eagle.

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massic80 - 22 May 2008 20:47 GMT
John Devereux ha scritto:
> All open source except Eagle.

Thanks John, I'll check them with him. ;-)
Massi*U've been really fast answering! :-D
Peter Bennett - 22 May 2008 18:14 GMT
>Hi everybody!
>An electrician friend of mine asked me about some CAD software for
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Thanks in advance!
>Massi

Almost any mechanical CAD program would work if you don't need to
extract a netlist - I use Intellicad (an AutoCad clone.).  Some
programs may come with a library of electrical symbols, but it should
be easy to make your own symbols or blocks.  The first drawing or two
may take some time as you build the symbols you need.

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massic80 - 22 May 2008 20:49 GMT
Peter Bennett ha scritto:
> it should
> be easy to make your own symbols or blocks.  The first drawing or two
> may take some time as you build the symbols you need.

Yes, U're right... I'll consider also your suggestions ;-)
Massi*thanks
Rich Webb - 22 May 2008 21:16 GMT
>>Hi everybody!
>>An electrician friend of mine asked me about some CAD software for
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>be easy to make your own symbols or blocks.  The first drawing or two
>may take some time as you build the symbols you need.

Many of the free Intellicad versions have gone full commercial but a
web search on "free intellicad" will turn up some older but still
quite usable CAD programs.

For the symbol library, there's a metric butt-ton of free symbols for
AutoCad/Intellicad over at the CAD Blocks Exchange Network
http://www.cben.net. Quality varies from "why'd they bother to upload
this" to "holy crap, that's amazing."

On page 12 of the Electrical section is "Electrical Symbols" that has
some symbology that may be helpful to the OP.

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massic80 - 22 May 2008 22:26 GMT
Rich Webb ha scritto:
> Many of the free Intellicad versions have gone full commercial but a
> web search on "free intellicad" will turn up some older but still
> quite usable CAD programs.
Thanks for this more information... I think it would be OK anyway, cause
he isn't much expert in PCs :-)

> For the symbol library (...) Quality varies from "why'd they bother to upload
> this" to "holy crap, that's amazing."
ROTFL
Good!

Thanks again!
Massi
JeffM - 22 May 2008 20:22 GMT
>I know this newsgroup is for electronics, but
> Massi

The group for electricians is alt.engineering.electrical.

>[...]friend of mine[...]has to draw the "schematics"

"Wiring diagram".
Another  word (used in a different context) is "harness".

>of wires plugs, devices, etc he will install into a flat.

Purpose-built apps discussed here:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.arch.embedded/browse_frm/thread/712164c5813a
2f0b/3b475ca70d3033fc?q=CableCAD+Solidworks+Harnware+*-*-planting-a-tulip-with-a
-bulldozer+*-*-*-poor-job+Autodesk+Solid.Edge+Inventor+WireCAD+AutoCAD+dongle+zz
z+easy.to.use+annual.license.fee

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.arch.embedded/browse_frm/thread/712164c5813a
2f0b/653f62e4052fe725?q=CableCAD+Solidworks+Harnware+*-*-planting-a-tulip-with-a
-bulldozer+*-*-*-poor-job+Autodesk+Solid.Edge+Inventor+WireCAD+AutoCAD+dongle+zz
z+easy.to.use+annual.license.fee

.
The general-purpose IntelliCAD has been mentioned.
More of those here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/b98ba73c
926f09d9/7d2b303dab4f5d16?q=Varicad+Qcad+IntelliCAD+Turbo-CAD+ProCAD+QuickCad+De
signCad-express


In this type of thread, Microsoft Visio is often mentioned.
It is THE WORST PIECE OF CRAP for this task
and will quickly exhaust your patience.
.
gEDA has been mentioned. (Not especially Windows-friendly.)
KiCAD is another open source electronics (PCB-oriented) CAD
with a Windoze port.
massic80 - 22 May 2008 20:52 GMT
JeffM ha scritto:
> The group for electricians is alt.engineering.electrical.
yeah, thanks, but it wasn't strictly CAD-related ;-) And he's not an
engineer (I will) :-D
I chose your NG and it seems I made the right choice ;-)

> "Wiring diagram".
> Another  word (used in a different context) is "harness".
I always like when english-speaking people tells me how to say something
I would express in 100 words ;-)

> Purpose-built apps discussed here:
Another bunch of links to be checked... thanks U all guys, I didn't
expect all of these answers, and this quickly!
;-)
Have a nice evening!
Massi
Anton Erasmus - 23 May 2008 14:41 GMT
>Hi everybody!
>An electrician friend of mine asked me about some CAD software for
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Thanks in advance!
>Massi

Maybe Electric will do the job.
This is open source and is available at
http://www.gnu.org/software/electric/

Regards
 Anton Erasmus
massic80 - 23 May 2008 15:11 GMT
Anton Erasmus ha scritto:
> Maybe Electric will do the job.
Thank U too!
U're a really efficient NG! ;-)
Massi
 
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