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Electronics Forum / CAD / March 2008What these terms of modeling are?
There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like below, .SUBCKT 1TO1#0 1 2 3 4 VISRC 9 4 DC 0V FCTRL 6 2 VISRC 1E+0 EVCVS 8 9 5 2 1E+0 RPRI 1 7 1E-1 RSEC 8 3 1E-1 LLEAK 7 5 1E-6 What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? > There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like > below, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? When I simulate with the netlist, I got a wrong message. when I change FCTRL 6 2 VISRC 1E+0 EVCVS 8 9 5 2 1E+0 into FCTRL 6 2 VISRC 1E-1 EVCVS 8 9 5 2 1E-1 The program can be go on. whats matter? whats different between the numbers? thanks > There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like > below, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? Lxxx is an unductor Rxxx is a resistor V is a voltage .subckt is defined elsewhere the numbers are the nodes. if you know how to read it the schematic is represented by this data. Bob > > There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like > > below, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Bob Hi, Bob, I know the rest terms meaning. what I want to knwo is What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? I know Vsrc and I src is voltage and current source. wht is VISRC and Fc... > There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like > below, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? Hello, This may be the model of an "ideal" transformer working from DC to an upper frequency limit defined by LLEAK and the external source and load resisatnce. Try Google: ideal transformer spice Best regards, Helmut On Mar 6, 2:45 pm, "Helmut Sennewald" <helmutsennew...@t-online.de> wrote: > > There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like > > below, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Best regards, > Helmut I know its model of transformer. what I want to know is What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? I search web site and cannt get the answer. thanks at the same. I know the rest terms meanings. they are all standard modeling terms > There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like > below, > > .SUBCKT 1TO1#0 1 2 3 4 > VISRC 9 4 DC 0V N+ and N- are the positive and negative nodes, respectively. Note that voltage sources need not be grounded. Positive current is assumed to flow from the positive node, through the source, to the negative node. A current source of positive value forces current to flow out of the N+ node, through the source, and into the N- node. Voltage sources, in addition to being used for circuit excitation, are the 'ammeters' for SPICE, that is, zero valued voltage sources may be inserted into the circuit for the purpose of measuring current. They of course have no effect on circuit operation since they represent short-circuits. > FCTRL 6 2 VISRC 1E+0 Linear Current-Controlled Current Sources General form: FXXXXXXX N+ N- VNAM VALUE Examples: F1 13 5 VSENS 5 N+ and N- are the positive and negative nodes, respectively. Current flow is from the positive node, through the source, to the negative node. VNAM is the name of a voltage source through which the controlling current flows. The direction of positive controlling current flow is from the positive node, through the source, to the negative node of VNAM. VALUE is the current gain. > EVCVS 8 9 5 2 1E+0 Linear Voltage-Controlled Voltage Sources General form: EXXXXXXX N+ N- NC+ NC- VALUE Examples: E1 2 3 14 1 2.0 N+ is the positive node, and N- is the negative node. NC+ and NC- are the positive and negative controlling nodes, respectively. VALUE is the voltage gain. > RPRI 1 7 1E-1 > RSEC 8 3 1E-1 > LLEAK 7 5 1E-6 > > What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? > > There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like > > below, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thank you very much, Sycon, its very clear to explain. but I wonder why I change FCTRL 6 2 VISRC 1E+0 > EVCVS 8 9 5 2 1E+0 into FCTRL 6 2 VISRC 1E-1 > EVCVS 8 9 5 2 1E-1 the simulation can run, that means, when gain is 0.1, simulation can be run, but when gain is 1, it denny to run and display wrong message as step too small, whats matter? > > "readeraz" <cnni...@126.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - Show quoted text - BTW, how to creat the following words xxxx? is it random? or by context? for example Vxxxx producing VISRC, Vcon V1 etc? "how to creat the following words xxxx? is it random? or by context?" It's whatever you want it to be. As far as a simulator is concerned, the names might as well be random so long as they're unique. If you use a schematic capture package, often the names will just be V1, V2, V3, etc. For "hand-crafted" models, often people will try to use meaningful names so that other (huamans) reading the text have some idea what the function of the part is. E.g., "Lleak" clearly suggests an inductor modeling leakage inductance. Note that the early simulators in the '70s and some in the '80s only allowed numbers (V1, V2, V3), but as far as I'm aware all contemporary simulators allow named devices (Vsource, Vbattery, etc.) > On Mar 6, 9:07 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > - Show quoted text - BTW, how to creat the following words xxxx? is it random? or by context? for example Vxxxx producing VISRC, Vcon V1 etc? the xxxx is where you enter an arbitrary name to make it unique. Bob > > On Mar 6, 9:07 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > - Show quoted text - thank you all. and can you continue next, what change the gain can run sumulation >>> There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, >>> like below, [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > step too small, > whats matter? A "time step to small" error is simply that the spice engine was unable to find a solution. It does not mean that there is a specific error in the circuit. However, unrealistic circuits can produce this failure to converge problem. Spice is a general purpose non-linear differential equation solver. It does this numerically. There is no guarantee that all circuits can be solved by this technique.  SignatureKevin Aylward kaREMOVE@anasoft.co.uk www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice > >> "readeraz" <cnni...@126.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > - Show quoted text - yes, I try to change step interval. but fail. when I change the number from +0 to -1, the solver go on. and I get the result. it seems the original number made the equation unconvergency. I dont know why? thanks FCTRL 6 2 VISRC 1E-1 (1E0) EVCVS 8 9 5 2 1E-1 I was prompt that the value of 1E+0 is ratio of the transformer. I set the transformer is 10:1, so that the ratio should be 0.1, but the default is 1E+0, was this the cause that fail to run continue? >There are some terms of transformer modeling in spice simulation, like >below, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >What meaning of the VISRC and FCTRL and EVCVS are? [Independant Source] Vxxx = Dependant Voltage source format V<name> +node -node DC value of 0 volts [Dependant Sources] Exxx =Voltage Controlled Voltage source format E<name><+node -node> <+ctrl node, -ctrl node> Gain so device EVCVS has output nodes at 8,9 which is equal to the voltage across node 5,2 multiplied by gain of 1 <unity gain> Fxxx = Current Controlled Current source format F<name> <+node, -node> <ctrl Voltage source> Gain so device FCTRL has output nodes 6,2 which has a values in current equal to current flowing through Ctrl voltage source VISRC times a gain of 1 ** notice that this independent voltage source has no dc voltage value. This acts like an Ammeter (+) and (-) Output nodes. A positive current flows from the (+) node through the source to the (-) node. The current through the controlling voltage source determines the output current. The controlling source must be an independent voltage source (V device), although it need not have a zero DC value. 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