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Electronics Forum / CAD / September 2006Uninstall Outhouse Excuse?
In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. In the process Outhouse Excuse was installed. Anyone know of a way to uninstall it, or at least render it neutered? Thanks! ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. > Anyone know of a way to uninstall it, or at least render it neutered? Why bother? I can't seriously believe you're strapped on HD space or something.. Tim -- In the immortal words of Ned Flanders: "No foot longs!" Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms > > Anyone know of a way to uninstall it, or at least render it neutered? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > In the immortal words of Ned Flanders: "No foot longs!" > Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms Why should anyone want to use up disk space or RAM to keep MicroCrap software on their computer if they don't want it. Al  SignatureThere's never enough time to do it right the first time....... > > > Anyone know of a way to uninstall it, or at least render it neutered? > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > There's never enough time to do it right the first time....... RAM? What RAM if its not running? SignatureMichael A. Terrell Central Florida > In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to > the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. > > In the process Outhouse Excuse was installed. > > Anyone know of a way to uninstall it, or at least render it neutered? It will be neutered as long as you don't use it and make it the default email client. > In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to > the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. You can leave it there, as long as you don't run it. Just make sure a different program is set as your default E-mnail program. SignatureMichael A. Terrell Central Florida Well if just leaving it there is not good enough and you still cannot bear the thought of it being there: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;263837 I am sure there was a tool someone written to do all this but this way you'll be sure that you've killed it... Eugene. > In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to > the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. > Well if just leaving it there is not good enough and you still cannot bear > the thought of it being there: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Eugene. Ha! Did you see the caveat on that link? You CAN'T get rid of it! It is so deeply embedded that removing it breaks the OS. SignatureJoe Legris > Ha! Did you see the caveat on that link? You CAN'T get rid of it! > > It is so deeply embedded that removing it breaks the OS. On Domain Controllers, it says you must reinstall it after removing it. Apparently you can leave it off if you don't have Active Directory set up and you don't have Outlook. Signature-Reply in group, but if emailing delete munge and invalid- t d n e w s 0 0 0 1 {AT} a t t {DOT} n e t I don't know how similar Win2K is to WinXP-Pro, but if they are remotely similar, you can remove Outlook Express Via the Add/Remove dialog box. It's not listed under the normal programs section, you need to access the Add/Remove Windows Components section of it. In that area you will find Outlook Express and be able to remove it from you system, along with damn near ANY other Windows software you don't want lurking around your system... FeMaster > In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to > the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson >I don't know how similar Win2K is to WinXP-Pro, but if they are remotely >similar, you can remove Outlook Express Via the Add/Remove dialog box. It's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >FeMaster I wasn't aware of the "Windows Components" section until David DiGiacomo pointed it out to me in an E-mail. But, in usual MShit tradition, removing Outhouse Excuse causes all kinds of strange hangs :-( ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >>I don't know how similar Win2K is to WinXP-Pro, but if they are remotely >>similar, you can remove Outlook Express Via the Add/Remove dialog box. It's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson Backing my way out of this mistake, it looks like the third hotfix back creates instabilities, crashing Windows Explorer at the slightest provocation. I'm now on SP4 *only*, no hotfixes, and it seems stable... cross your fingers. ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. Jim, > Backing my way out of this mistake, it looks like the third > hotfix back creates instabilities, crashing Windows Explorer > at the slightest provocation. > > I'm now on SP4 *only*, no hotfixes, and it seems stable... > cross your fingers. My sysadim recommends SP3 as golden. He has problems with SP4. --Mike >Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >--Mike Thanks for the input! ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. > Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > My sysadim recommends SP3 as golden. He has problems with > SP4. It has compatibility problems with some apps, Autodesk VIZ 3D Rendering for one. Signature-Reply in group, but if emailing delete munge and invalid- t d n e w s 0 0 0 1 {AT} a t t {DOT} n e t Google for a freebie program called IEradicator - it wipes out Outhouse too :-) SignatureGregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca > In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to > the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks! Oddly, after years of using Eudora and Netscape, I find myself using Outlook Express, Internet Explorer etc. Its the simplest thing to use, handles html messages and pictures seamlessly, and, with a bit of virus protection software, isn't any more dangerous than running sendmail on your linux system, particularly if you use a firewall. Its also free, which I like. Like most MS software, its annoying, hopeless crap, but its about 2% more cost effective to use than the alternatives. They design to their market, which is an admirable thing from a business standpoint (although how engineers can live with themselves after doing it year after year is beyond me. Must be a corporate culture thing.) The only reason they get hit so often with viruses/worms is that the huge installed base makes them a target. Having worked for Apple in the past, I know that their stuff is just as hopeless internally (actually, maybe more so), and just as open to viral infection; its just that the 5% installed base makes them far less attractive to the a.sholes who write these things. Linux, being open, is always getting hit, its just not as big news when it happens. Regards, Bob Monsen >>In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to >>the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Its also free, which I like. Like most MS software, its annoying, hopeless > crap, but its about 2% more cost effective to use than the alternatives. Mozilla pisses all over it. http://www.mozilla.org > They design to their market, which is an admirable thing from a business > standpoint (although how engineers can live with themselves after doing it > year after year is beyond me. Must be a corporate culture thing.) They design to a market of morons. Over the years, they've forced all their users to become a bunch of uniformly spec'd point/click/drool morons to be a perfect fit for their mass-market crap. It's like this: buying windoze is like buying yourself a soft-drink vending machine. That gives you the wonderful privilege of paying for software to stock it. You even get the bonus privilege of paying for virus-checkers and agreeing to be interrogated by the BSA. When you need to upgrade an app, it only runs on xp. XP means a cascading upgrade. http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/09/19/032238 XP gives you the wonderful privilege of M$ telling you if that HDD or mainboard upgrade is "authorized". By clicking "I AGREE", you are consenting to be well and truly f****d for all you're worth. > They design to a market of morons. Over the years, they've forced all their > users to become a bunch of uniformly spec'd point/click/drool morons to be a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > upgrade is "authorized". By clicking "I AGREE", you are consenting to be well > and truly f****d for all you're worth. Don't hold back, now... Tell us how you really feel! ;-) Although I would agree with some of what you've said (if a bit less graphically), I've been using lots of different OS's for different purposes (including Windows since ver. 3.1x). I've always been a big fan of "Match the tool to the application," and that applies to OS's as well. As one example: I'm fully hosted for my Internet presence. Translation: I run all my own servers; DNS, Web, FTP, mail, the works. My ISP gives me six static addresses over a DSL pipe, and leaves me alone to do my thing, which is exactly how I wanted it all along. I'm proud to say that NONE of my 'net-connected servers are the least bit dependent on Bill-ware. They're all, with the exception of the FTP/News server, surplus Sun boxes running NetBSD/Sparc. The aforementioned exception is a big Compaq ProLiant 6500 with a pair of disk arrays, also running NetBSD/i386. The reason for this is that I could NEVER trust a Windows box to be a reliable and secure Internet-based server, even if it was behind a military-grade firewall. However, most of my workstations inside our LAN are Windows boxes. I'm using a mix of NT 4.0 and 2000. I will not use X(tra)P(ain), because it seems like too much of an effort by UncaBill to enforce MS's will on what people can and cannot do with their systems. The hardware registration/product activation thing you mention is a perfect example. So far, I've found that, with a bit of digging into the registry, and other options to turn off things like 'Automatic Update,' W2000 with SP3 has been the most stable Windows yet. The only BSOD's I've gotten have been my own silly fault when I changed something I shouldn't have. So, why Windows at all? Well, for one thing, I use a lot of EDA software (schematic capture, simulation, etc.) that depends on it. I'd have a lot of trouble doing design work otherwise. Sure, I'd like to be able to use a FreeBSD or similar *nix-based workstation full time, but I've got applications that would be difficult or really expensive to duplicate on the BSD side. Like I said: Match the tool to the application. The tool, in this context, is the OS. Now, if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go hunting for a good book on Windows 2000 registry tweaking. ;-) SignatureDr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) ... > I'm proud to say that NONE of my 'net-connected servers are the > least bit dependent on Bill-ware. They're all, with the exception of the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > context, is the OS. Now, if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go > hunting for a good book on Windows 2000 registry tweaking. ;-) Win2k+SP2 was my last windoze setup. SP3 did something really bad so i had to uninstall it. Linux is definitely for the complete non-tinkerer, or the all-nighter-tinkerer, so windoze still fills the middle ground of a novice being able to configure the system. The reason is that for the non-tinkerer, you can install a preconfigured distro and it's mostly ok. If it has some things you don't like and want to fix (such as numeric keypad not working as arrow keys etc), it can mean *many* hours of finding and reading howtos and experimenting. The cad side is also lacking in linux. Wine could be used for windoze apps, and win95/98 apps are easy to setup and run in win4lin. The variety of programming languages and libraries on linux is very useful for science/ engineering purposes. > win95/98 apps are easy to setup and run in win4lin. A quick look at the win4lin site seems to suggest you need a precompiled special kernel to run win4lin. That really goes against the open-source concept of Linux. Having spent some time building kernels with the drivers that I want, that work the way I want, rather than the way distros think they should, installing win4lin here would probably break other bits of the system. I'd also be interested to know whether the proprietary kernels open any holes to allow Windoze viruses in. At least Wine doesn't do that, AFAIK. SignatureThen there's duct tape ... (Garrison Keillor) nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx >>win95/98 apps are easy to setup and run in win4lin. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'd also be interested to know whether the proprietary kernels open any > holes to allow Windoze viruses in. At least Wine doesn't do that, AFAIK. You can use a pre-compiled kernel, or apply the two patches yourself to your own kernel. The effects don't impact anything else or affect stability. This is all you need to do: cd linux-2.4.20 # top of kernel tree patch -p1 < mki-adapter.patch cd .. patch -p0 < Kernel-Win4Lin3-2.4.20.patch cd linux-2.4.20 make menuconfig Set the option: Windows Applications support ---> [*] Include NeTraverse Win4Lin Support Build and install the kernel and modules. When rebooting, the kernel says it's running the mki-adapter and win4lin, iirc. > You can use a pre-compiled kernel, or apply the two patches yourself to > your own kernel. The effects don't impact anything else or affect > stability. Ahh...... I hadn't seen the bit about patches, that sounds better. SignatureThen there's duct tape ... (Garrison Keillor) nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx > Oddly, after years of using Eudora and Netscape, I find myself using Outlook > Express, Internet Explorer etc. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > dangerous than running sendmail on your linux system, particularly if you > use a firewall. Um, this is a sort of religion with folks. Do we really want to debate the, er, "merits" of MS software vs the alternatives, here in these particular mix of NGs? If you really do, I'll jump in with both feet and cite references, but that's not really what we're here for, is it? > Its also free, which I like. Gack. Like hell. Measure the doubtless millions of wasted man-hours trying to keep this stuff running -- oops, there I go. There is "using the tool", and there is "fighting the tool". The ratio of one to the other is the true measure of the value of a tool. SignatureRegards, Al S. > Um, this is a sort of religion with folks. Do we really want to debate > the, er, "merits" of MS software vs the alternatives, here in these > particular mix of NGs? If you really do, I'll jump in with both feet > and cite references, but that's not really what we're here for, is it? I wasn't debating anything. I was simply relating my experiences and making a few simple observations. Gack. I guess its like religion and politics, don't bring them up in polite company. Regards, Bob Monsen >In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to >the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [snip] The crashing continues... message says "Explorer has committed an illegal..." Is there a way to go back from IE6 to IE5? I have a directory that seems to contain all the necessities for installing IE5.5 Another strange phenomenon: I can no longer paste (from other programs) into the message *body* of Eudora Pro v3.0.5, though I can copy and paste from *within* the body. Really weird!! ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. > I can no longer paste (from other programs) into the message *body* of > Eudora Pro v3.0.5, though I can copy and paste from *within* the body. > Really weird!! Look at it this way. You could use a different OS, but the one you have pretty much requires IE and its companion OE. I think if you use Windows you should just install the thing. Its DLLs were probably installed in the first place, but you didn't notice because the folder in Program Files wasn't there. You could probably do a full install, and then delete that folder, keeping the DLLs in Windows\system\. If that doesn't work you can just delete MSIMN.EXE. It also sounds like you have to reinstall Eudora and maybe W2k. I'm thinking about BSD myself. If it's the only good thing that ever came out of Berkely maybe I should use it. :) Signature-Reply in group, but if emailing delete munge and invalid- t d n e w s 0 0 0 1 {AT} a t t {DOT} n e t > Is there a way to go back from IE6 to IE5? IIRC (and it's been several years since I supported Windoze), there is no way to move backward (I mean, install lower version numbered instances) of IE. I know that this was a problem I researched for a client who inadvertantly installed the Active Desktop version of IE (4.02?) and didn't like it, and we couldn't revert to his previous version without a wipe. However, when it comes to 'doze, there's always another expert ready to pipe up. SignatureRegards, Al S. > > Is there a way to go back from IE6 to IE5? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > version without a wipe. However, when it comes to 'doze, there's always > another expert ready to pipe up. no expert, but i couldn't go backwards, either. mike > > > Is there a way to go back from IE6 to IE5? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > mike I'm no expert either, so be warned. A quick google on "uninstall IE6" turned up a number of hits, including what looked a plausible solution on the Dell help forum. Regards Ian >>In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to >>the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson I know it's a little late to be asking, but why bother to uninstall it? As long as it's not configured in the first place, it won't be able to find your mail or news servers. If you do start it by accident, it will start the configuration wizard, which you can stop easily enough. -- Mike -- Ahhhhh. !!! I believe that error message refers to WINDOWS explorer, not INTERNET explorer. I personally have not experienced that problem with XP, but I did encounter similar grief with OSes past. Check the knowledgebase, but expand your search to include references to WINDOWS explorer, you know, the thing that displays directory trees & content, etc. > >In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to > >the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows on Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:31:47 -0400 "BFoelsch" <BFoelsch@snet.ditch.this.net> posted: >Ahhhhh. !!! > >I believe that error message refers to WINDOWS explorer, not INTERNET >explorer. !!! You're right. One of the stupidest things they did is give them names like that. They should have named it "Media explorer" and "Email Explorer" too. And then there is Outlook and Outlook Express. There are some similarities but iiuc a wealth of differnces, and the many people who have only heard of the second assume that's what people mean when they say Outlook. Why not just call everything "- computer program"? Windows computer program, Internet computer program, media computer program. Then everyone could talk about the computer program. >I personally have not experienced that problem with XP, but I did encounter >similar grief with OSes past. Check the knowledgebase, but expand your [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. Meirman If emailing, please let me know whether or not you are posting the same letter. Change domain to erols.com, if necessary. > The crashing continues... message says "Explorer has committed an > illegal..." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE whatever the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A few weeks ago I was encountering the same problems you mentioned, including a failure message of one of the three svchost processes. Turns out it was side- effects of an infection by the MSBlast virus... my system wasn't quite what it expected, so it could never enter its infectious state. If you haven't already, you may wish to run a virus scan (AVG is free, FWIW). Hope this helps. Signature---- Remove the "fool" to email one. >Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE whatever >the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A few weeks ago >I was encountering the same problems you mentioned, including a failure >message of one of the three svchost processes. Turns out it was side- >effects of an infection by the MSBlast virus... I had this too. svchost.exe kept generating errors and this infernal worm attached itself to three other files in my System directory. The files couldn't be repaired by NAVG so they had to be deleted. When I tried to copy replacement fles from another hard disk 'doze wouldn't let me do so, even as Administrator, access was denied. So I'm now running an even flakier version of this crap OS than would normally be the case. What's Apple stuff like these days? -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >> Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE >> whatever the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I had this too. svchost.exe kept generating errors and this infernal > worm attached itself to three other files in my System directory. Other than letting your 5 year old children access to your computer, there is no excuse to succumb to an email based virus. Don't open attachments. Its that simple. Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >>Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE whatever >>the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A few weeks ago [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >the case. >What's Apple stuff like these days? The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC processor is quite good. Under the Mac GUI there isn't much support for engineering programs. BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually. BTW for Kevin A., MSBlast isn't an email virus/worm. It hits Windoze computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit by a port 135 request about 1000 times per day. This is better than the 2000 times per day when the anti-blaster worm came out. Pre-blaster days, we would get hit about 10 times per day on port 135. Mark > The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the > Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTW for Kevin A., MSBlast isn't an email virus/worm. I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being absolutely sure they arnt an issue. Maybe 5 years back it was excusable, but its a too well known an issue nowadays. In OE, I always keep it set so that you cant open attachments. I specifically have to enable and disable it as the need arises. I even always keep java scripting off. It the only way to stop those pop ups. It hits Windoze > computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit > by a port 135 request about 1000 times per day. This is better than > the 2000 times per day when the anti-blaster worm came out. > Pre-blaster days, we would get hit about 10 times per day on port 135. But anyone not using firewall, again, is a bloody silly billy. Or not having the semi-automatic windows update enabled so that one is always up to date with updates. I agree that there are virus that could take hold due to a Windows f'up irrespective of what you do, but it seems to me that most infections are because people are driving their car without even learning how to fill up the window washer bottle. Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. > > The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the > > Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the need arises. I even always keep java scripting off. It the only way > to stop those pop ups. The MSBlaster worm attacks bugs in the Windows OS, not the client program. It is not reasonable to expect people to have turned off DCOM as a security measure (although it should have been off as default, and let people who need it turn it on - the biggest problem with windows (in)security is that everything is enabled and open by default). But in general, people should be aware of security problems by now - at least enough to ask others for help or advice if they don't know how to stop the biggest holes themselves. However, it is perfectly fair to blame MS for many problems, simply because they have picked such absurdly virus-friendly (and spam-friendly) defaults for everything. If you buy a car with an airbag that is disabled by default, and you crash your car, is it fair to blame the car company for advertising a car with an airbag when the airbag did not activate when needed? It most certainly is their fault. On the other hand, if you didn't have your seatbelt on at the time - that is *your* fault. Similarly, the default "security zone" for OE being "unrestricted, let everything in" is MS' fault (changing that to "restricted" is the biggest step to securing OE), while clicking "yes" to a box asking if you want to run the attached program is the user's fault. There is a far better way to stop pop-ups and to secure your browsing, however - drop IE. Every other browser available is far more secure, and the big ones (I prefer Opera, but Mozilla and friends are good too) have features that are years in advance of IE. Opera has an option "open requested pop-ups only" - you get exactly the pop-ups you want (log-in boxes and that kind of thing), while everything else is blocked. There is no excuse for using IE if you are concerned about security, reliability, speed or usability. > It hits Windoze > > computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But anyone not using firewall, again, is a bloody silly billy. Or not I fully agree. I find it almost unbelievable that companies have been hit by MSBlaster - that means that their firewalls were open to the world on ports including 135, which is used for windows shares. The world and its dog could walk in and take what data they want, or write the files they want - all they have to do is guess a user name and password. However, a lot of people probably think that if they run XP, they have a firewall, since it is one of the "new features" (along with things like better reporting when it crashes) - and no one has told them that a) it is not enabled by default; b) it's a piss-poor firewall, even compared to other software firewalls; c) no software firewall on windows can be solid; d) dcom is still enabled even if you have turned on the XP firewall. > having the semi-automatic windows update enabled so that one is always > up to date with updates. I agree that there are virus that could take I would never consider having automatic updates from windows. You are giving away what little control you still have of your machine, and are signing (cliking) away your rights to use your computer for what you want to do, rather than for what MS decides to allow you. Good firewall setup (which generally means buying a hardware firewall and using its defaults rather than stupidly openning up everything), good email policies and filtering, and good choice of client software (i.e., not IE) do far more to protect your systems than any automated patches. Keep up-to-date with security announcements, and apply updates and patches when *you* need them, not when MS decides that "in order to improve your security" it has to disable your chosen mp3 player and force you to use MS Media Player - if you use XP or W2K SP3 and automated updates you give them the right to do exactly that. > hold due to a Windows f'up irrespective of what you do, but it seems to > me that most infections are because people are driving their car without > even learning how to fill up the window washer bottle. It's closer to driving your car without learning how to stop up the holes in the window washer bottle, but I agree that by now most people should know that these holes are there. > Kevin Aylward > salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk > http://www.anasoft.co.uk > SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode > Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, > Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being >addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people >are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being absolutely sure >they arnt an issue. AFAICS, you don't pay much attention to *anything* before shooting off with your 2p worth. *Of course* I know not to open attachments/messages from unknown sources. When I returned from holiday I had 700 messages to deal with; the vast majority of them the usual crap. I set about deleting them, got into the rhythm of key presses for the first 200-300 but then lost my concentration and pressed either the wrong key or something out of sequence. *That* was the error that caused the rogue message to open and execute. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >> I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being >> addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > *Of course* I know not to open attachments/messages from unknown > sources. Did I say you didnt? Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >>> I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being >>> addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Did I say you didnt? As good as. You made a generalised observation that people who open messages without being sure they're safe are "so stupid." Granted - except in the case where such opening is accidental/unintentional, which is all too easy when one has a lot of messages to get through in a short space of time. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >>>> I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being >>>> addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > As good as. Not at all. I gather you missed my comments on "Yes Minister" >You made a generalised observation that people who open > messages without being sure they're safe are "so stupid. Well, certainly it would be a very stupid thing to do. " Granted - > except in the case where such opening is accidental/unintentional, Like an accidental double-click due to too many pints of Guinness, but then again, my OE settings are such that this wont run the enclosure. > which is all too easy when one has a lot of messages to get through in > a short space of time. I don't see that as a valid excuse. Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >> which is all too easy when one has a lot of messages to get through in >> a short space of time. > >I don't see that as a valid excuse. I see. Just as an aside, do you find you frequently experience people trying to punch you on the nose in pubs after you've had a few Guinnesses? I can just imagine it. You overhear two blokes talking. One tells the other that his wife's just left him. You barge in - well-intentioned, perhaps, but without thinking - and tell him he could win her back if he used one of these penis enlargement techniques off the Internet. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >>> which is all too easy when one has a lot of messages to get through >>> in a short space of time. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just as an aside, do you find you frequently experience people trying > to punch you on the nose in pubs after you've had a few Guinnesses? No. > I can just imagine it. You overhear two blokes talking. But this is a public discussion NG and understood as such, two blokes talking in a public place, do not constitue a public discussion. Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >But this is a public discussion NG and understood as such, two blokes >talking in a public place, do not constitue a public discussion. Indeed? And how do you come to that sweeping conclusion, precisely? -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >> But this is a public discussion NG and understood as such, two blokes >> talking in a public place, do not constitue a public discussion. > > Indeed? And how do you come to that sweeping conclusion, precisely? Pretty obvious. Its its just the way it is. People talking to each other in the street are generally assumed to be having a private conversation. Its a social convention. Its something one learns after the first time one gets a clip round the ear, be off with you sonny boy, around the age of 5 or so. In NG's, its generally assumed that anyone can butt in at any time, its what a public NG is. Are you seriously suggesting that these are not the real facts of the situations? Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >Pretty obvious. Its its just the way it is. People talking to each other >in the street are generally assumed to be having a private conversation. Hang on a minute! Where did this "street" suddenly come from? We were talking about two blokes in a public house! (hint: a public house is where people congregate for social purposes, including meeting people and conversing in a convivial fashion whilst quaffing a few pints of ale.) >Its a social convention. Its something one learns after the first time >one gets a clip round the ear, be off with you sonny boy, around the age >of 5 or so. In NG's, its generally assumed that anyone can butt in at >any time, its what a public NG is. Are you seriously suggesting that >these are not the real facts of the situations? No, no, no! Yet again you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. No one's trying to suggest that you haven't got a perfect right to chip in your 2p worth in this medium, whether invited or not. My beef is that you came to a conclusion - that I was "stupid" - based on your incomplete knowledge of the facts at that time. You went off 'half-cocked' as they say (not for the first time, I notice). -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >> Pretty obvious. Its its just the way it is. People talking to each >> other in the street are generally assumed to be having a private [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and conversing in a convivial fashion whilst quaffing a few pints of > ale.) No difference from the street example. People sitting together in a pub are assumed to be having a private conversation. Its simple not socially acceptable to butt in. >> Its a social convention. Its something one learns after the first >> time one gets a clip round the ear, be off with you sonny boy, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > chip in your 2p worth in this medium, whether invited or not. My beef > is that you came to a conclusion - that I was "stupid" No I didnt. >- based on your > incomplete knowledge of the facts at that time. You went off > 'half-cocked' as they say (not for the first time, I notice). Not at all. Show me where I said "you are stupid" or words to the same effect. I have already explained my "Yes minister" approach with a reasonable amount of detail. For example, I believe my statements were: "...there is no excuse to succumb to an email based virus. Don't open attachments. Its that simple." These are simply statements of facts. Unfortunately, you have clearly misinterpreted them. Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >No difference from the street example. People sitting together in a pub >are assumed to be having a private conversation. Its simple not socially >acceptable to butt in. Depends on their body language. Often such people are only too happy for others to join in, as you must surely have observed - although not at first hand, obviously. ;-> >> No, no, no! Yet again you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. >> No one's trying to suggest that you haven't got a perfect right to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >These are simply statements of facts. Unfortunately, you have clearly >misinterpreted them. Given your standard of English, I'm sure I'm not alone. But you're in a double bind: you write ambiguously and you comprehend the replies via a similar mental filter. Is this Asberger's-like behaviour confined to your written English or does the same disability maniffest itself in your oral conversations with others? -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >> No difference from the street example. People sitting together in a >> pub are assumed to be having a private conversation. Its simple not [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Given your standard of English, I'm sure I'm not alone. Exactly, just what is wrong with my English? > But you're in a double bind: you write ambiguously and you comprehend > the replies via a similar mental filter. Not at all. Indeed, I fear its is the other way round. It is not my failure that you misunderstand what was actually wrote. What I write is usually quite clear. Unfortunately, many less significantly qualified, might well make assumptions not contained in the original avowal. >Is this Asberger's-like > behaviour confined to your written English or does the same disability > maniffest itself in your oral conversations with others? How the f.ck should I know:-) Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >How the f.ck should I know:-) Well quite. We're all a bit less than adequate in trying to be objective about ourselves. :-) Anyway, I may be off-air so to speak for a while now as I'm going to have to wipe my HDs and start re-installing everything from scratch again, thanks to the bastard to wrote the Blaster worm code. If you never hear from me again, I just want you to know that I've found our little arguments most enjoyable. :-) Bye for now at least... :-( -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill >> How the f.ck should I know:-) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > little arguments most enjoyable. :-) > Bye for now at least... :-( Well, why haven't you sent the fiver then. Kevin Aylward salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. >Well, why haven't you sent the fiver then. Because you haven't sent me the unlock key for SS yet. ;-> >>I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being >>addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sequence. *That* was the error that caused the rogue message to open > and execute. The easiest way is to display the messages by size, select the first one, then press shift-mouse on the last one to select them all. Then press shift-delete. Works in mozilla, and probably outhouse too. >The easiest way is to display the messages by size, select the first >one, then press shift-mouse on the last one to select them all. Then >press shift-delete. Works in mozilla, and probably outhouse too. I don't use Outhouse. I was - and still am - using Pegasus in conjunction with Mailwasher. Unfortunately, Mailwasher's still got a little way to go in development before it reaches is full potential; hence the problem. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill > >>Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE whatever > >>the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A few weeks ago [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the > Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC The Apple OS does not have anything to do with Linux. At its heart is a variant on BSD *nix (like FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD). This means it is a *nix, but not Linux. When you say "Linux command line", I presume you mean the bash shell and standard *nix command-line programs - and yes, you can run them fine. You can also run most fine under windows (using Cygwin), but since the latest Apple OS is a *nix, they are more at home there than under windows. You can also run X and X programs under Apple OS and Windows - again, it is easier, faster and more "natural" under Apple OS than Cygwin. > processor is quite good. Under the Mac GUI there isn't much support > for engineering programs. > > BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your > running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually. *If* you know what you are doing with windows security, then it can be configured to be reasonably secure against violent programs trashing your OS files. But that's only if you don't accept the default settings, and work through things after installation to plug the major holes. > BTW for Kevin A., MSBlast isn't an email virus/worm. It hits Windoze MSBlast is not an email virus - it *is* a worm. A worm is by defnition a program that spreads actively through network connections as you describe. > computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit > by a port 135 request about 1000 times per day. This is better than > the 2000 times per day when the anti-blaster worm came out. > Pre-blaster days, we would get hit about 10 times per day on port 135. MSBlast can use a number of other ports too, although 135 is the main one. That's also the one crackers attack looking for open windows shares exposed to the internet. >BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your >running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually. I'm running 2kPro., which is NT4, essentially. Norton AVG reported that the Blaster *had* attacked three seperate System files and they were all irreprable. They had to be deleted so now various bits of the OS don't work. For some stupid reason, 'doze won't let me copy over replacements from another HD so I'm stuck with the problem unless I do a full re-install and AIUI, I can't do that without trashing all the apps I have and their settings. :-( It's a pity these bastards can't find something more useful to do with their spare time. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill > >BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your > >running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > apps I have and their settings. :-( It's a pity these bastards can't > find something more useful to do with their spare time. The swine(s) that wrote the Blaster worm should be Blasted alright, with 50,000 volts @ 6 Amps, applied across the head. Repeat until crispy. ;-) -A >>In a moment of mental weakness this afternoon I updated my Win2K to >>the latest Service Packs/Security Levels. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Eudora Pro v3.0.5, though I can copy and paste from *within* the body. >Really weird!! It sounds like Tom has some of the best advice. It also sounds like your loosing some of your needed ".DLL" for other programs. I can't believe that Microsoft doesn't know how to remove their own program from their own operating system. Ya, right! (Is this their way of getting back at the courts for the ruling that was made against them?) The IT guys were I work put out a memo were they stated that they haven't had a weekend off in months! Due to all of the Microsoft patches needed! The last time I checked for my old Windows home system, there were 13 patches needed to get Win98 and IE5 to run safely. How can that be? How can they keep getting away with it? > The IT guys were I work put out a memo were they stated that they > haven't > had a weekend off in months! Due to all of the Microsoft patches > needed! Usually when I look at Symantec's site for virus info they have the 6 or 8 latest viruses from the past month. When last I looked it was 8 new ones in the first 2 days of September, and a few dozen for August. Signature-Reply in group, but if emailing delete munge and invalid- t d n e w s 0 0 0 1 {AT} a t t {DOT} n e t Removing the Win2K SP4 "Upgrade" cured all problems... copy/paste returned and (hopefully) Explorer has stopped crashing (I do note I'm back to explorer.exe with an old date). Mike E mentioned that his SysAdmin says SP3 is "golden", but other readings suggest once you've removed a service pack you can't install over it. Anyone know the true "skinny"? Thanks! ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >Removing the Win2K SP4 "Upgrade" cured all problems... copy/paste >returned and (hopefully) Explorer has stopped crashing (I do note I'm [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ...Jim Thompson I now note that Add/Remove shows I have all hotfixes prior to SP3 so I probably should just leave well enough alone ;-) I've learned my lesson... anytime I have an urge to apply any MShit "upgrades" I'll simply go pour myself another glass of wine and pursue other urges. ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >I now note that Add/Remove shows I have all hotfixes prior to SP3 so I >probably should just leave well enough alone ;-) > >I've learned my lesson... anytime I have an urge to apply any MShit >"upgrades" I'll simply go pour myself another glass of wine and pursue >other urges. Good idea. I had to remove Win2K SP4 because it was causing problems. If I hadn't told it to save the files to do a de-install it would have been very messy indeed. Now running SP3 with most hotfixes. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com >>I now note that Add/Remove shows I have all hotfixes prior to SP3 so I >>probably should just leave well enough alone ;-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Best regards, >Spehro Pefhany That's what happens on a Friday afternoon... bored... waiting for N to finish her Girl Scout meeting... nothing to do but stick your hands in MShit ;-) ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >>I now note that Add/Remove shows I have all hotfixes prior to SP3 so I >>probably should just leave well enough alone ;-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Best regards, >Spehro Pefhany Spehro, Did you remove SP4 and then install SP3 without problems? I ran across a note on one on MShit's pages saying that removing and re-installing a service pack is not recommended. What kind of problems were you having with SP4? ...Jim Thompson | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. >Did you remove SP4 and then install SP3 without problems? Had SP3 installed prior to this, removed it and installed everything that their update scan wanted to except for SP4. >I ran >across a note on one on MShit's pages saying that removing and >re-installing a service pack is not recommended. I don't plan to re-install SP4, ever. >What kind of problems were you having with SP4? Interfering with some security software (which will never be updated as the company that wrote it is gone) and it seems to have been responsible for very slow overall performance when some old DOS programs are running. I have to run SUBST at startup because some Microchip software can't handle paths to project folders exceeding 63 odd characters, and just the default path alone, without subfolders to organize project files, is 50+ characters. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com > >Removing the Win2K SP4 "Upgrade" cured all problems... copy/paste > >returned and (hopefully) Explorer has stopped crashing (I do note I'm [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I now note that Add/Remove shows I have all hotfixes prior to SP3 so I > probably should just leave well enough alone ;-) You'd also be wise to read the T&C's on SP3 and SP4. You might choose to go naked in a field of hornets, before signing up to that! > I've learned my lesson... anytime I have an urge to apply any MShit > "upgrades" I'll simply go pour myself another glass of wine and pursue > other urges. I like that idea. ...then tomorrow tell BillyG where to pound it SignatureKeith In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows on Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:24:59 -0700 Jim Thompson <Jim-T@golana-will-get-you.com> posted: >Removing the Win2K SP4 "Upgrade" cured all problems... copy/paste >returned and (hopefully) Explorer has stopped crashing (I do note I'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Anyone know the true "skinny"? Your list of groups is long, but I think not the right ones. >Thanks! > > ...Jim Thompson Meirman If emailing, please let me know whether or not you are posting the same letter. Change domain to erols.com, if necessary. Hi Meirman, Just so you know, your attempt at spammunging your email address has been ineffective. It appears in plain clear text in the "Reply To: " field of your posting. You're going to have to try a little bit harder. -Chuck > Meirman > > If emailing, please let me know whether > or not you are posting the same letter. > > Change domain to erols.com, if necessary. In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows on Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:52:56 -0400 Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> posted: >Hi Meirman, > >Just so you know, your attempt at spammunging your email address >has been ineffective. It appears in plain clear text in the >"Reply To: " field of your posting. You're going to have to try >a little bit harder. Thanks, Chuck. I actually knew that. That's why the line at the bottom only says to change the domain if necessary, because in most cases, replying will pick up the Reply-to: field. There was a time when spambots didn't pick up reply-to addresses, I'm told by someone I pretty much trust. Actually it was someone from Erols. (Do you read their local newsgroups?) Now more people may be using the spambots that do pick it up. I say this mostly because I have gotten spam in which both the addresses were included (even though only the real address was successful in getting the mail to me.). Of course they may have gotten my valid address somewhere else, and combined it with the invalid one. It seems both Bank of America and Citibank are giving out email addresses, selling them. I naively thought I could trust them. But I don't recall offhand if I actually gave either my email address. Citibank has 1000's of "affiliates" it seems. So I'm not sure what to do. I like it when other readers email me from ng's and I don't want to make it harder on them. And I'm a bit lethargic. Hmmm? I appreciate your warning. >-Chuck > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Change domain to erols.com, if necessary. Meirman If emailing, please let me know whether or not you are posting the same letter. Change domain to erols.com, if necessary. Hi Meirman, If you are running Netscape, or Mozilla, and you type a control U character, your news message will appear in its source code. For instance: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: reader4.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: meirman <meirman@invalid.com> Newsgroups: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows Subject: Re: "Upgrade" to SP4 - The Saga Continues Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:39:55 -0400 Lines: 53 Message-ID: <uv8umvgi4i9dqo0p6c2h800s046osbf8f0@4ax.com> References: <doanmvkkss6qgn2mchnk2s2uru8lq68lkr@4ax.com> <jhirmv85383fbl34dkq1cmhel7lrcru27o@4ax.com> <0j5smvsghk3tr5gs20o4sof5qopf8rirsq@4ax.com> <bpasmvghlgrokuhnq3kf2f4723drmvs07p@4ax.com> <bkmrba$28a$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: meirman@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbJ6yTqQwdJgEalsEDaHK/3FRtNJcWGsgcIivquqo7G7aSqXUeJ8dHs X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2003 16:40:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Xref: reader4.news.rcn.net alt.binaries.schematics.electronic:80724 sci.electronics.cad:54357 sci.electronics.design:403995 sci.electronics.misc:136246 comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:214190 In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows on Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:52:56 -0400 Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> posted: ... Clipped for brevity... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header information...ripe for the picking. In anycase, the stories about spambots only taking from the text of the message is a myth. All this header information, and the text of the message is just a file full of text. -Chuck > In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows on Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:52:56 -0400 > Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> posted: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Change domain to erols.com, if necessary. <snip> > This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will > notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Chuck Which is why I dont put my real email ANYWHERE in a usenet post. The spambots these days are getting quite clever... SignatureGreg --The software said it requires Win2000 or better, so I installed Linux. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Which is why I dont put my real email ANYWHERE in a usenet post. > The spambots these days are getting quite clever... Any script kiddy and its dog can scan webpages and newsmessage headers for words containing "@" using any of a dozen kinds of scripts. > > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > headers for words containing "@" using any of a dozen kinds of > scripts. Use postmaster@mouse-potato.com for a dummy address somewhere in your message and pollute the spammers database. SignaturePaul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com note to spammers: a Washington State resident ------------------------------------------------------------------ We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. -- Walt Kelly, "Pogo" Chuck Harris wrote... > This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will > notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header > information...ripe for the picking. One email address I notice is abuse@rcn.com Hmm, I wonder how are the admins dealing with hundreds of thousands of spams? They can't count on every spammer to edit them out, that requires some real work! Thanks, - Win I would guess it has to do with looking for subjects that don't exactly match the usual classes of spam comeons. Since most "abuse" emails are supposed to contain an inline copy of the offending material, I would think they would very hard to filter with any sort bayesian filtering algorithm. -Chuck > Chuck Harris wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks, > - Win > Removing the Win2K SP4 "Upgrade" cured all problems... copy/paste > returned and (hopefully) Explorer has stopped crashing (I do note I'm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > readings suggest once you've removed a service pack you can't install > over it. While on the topic of windows maintenance, beware: Microsoft has just sneaked Digital Rights Management into the latest Windows Update. There are some very interesting implications for the future of computers running 'restricted computing' applications. Read up: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing "Who holds the keys to your data?" SignatureJem Berkes http://www.sysdesign.ca/ |
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