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BGA-272 and double side PCB

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eeh - 30 Mar 2005 13:53 GMT
I want to ask a question:

I am doing a project which needs a DSP chip with BGA package. It has
272 pins. Is double layer PCB enough for routing?

Thanks!
Leon Heller - 30 Mar 2005 21:46 GMT
>I want to ask a question:
>
> I am doing a project which needs a DSP chip with BGA package. It has
> 272 pins. Is double layer PCB enough for routing?

You'll need at least six layers!

Leon
Kunal - 31 Mar 2005 09:32 GMT
I agree with Leon.

2 plane layers : Power and Ground
and 4 signal layers.

The number of layers depends on the number of rows deep of the BGA you
want to tap into.
Top layer : 2 rows\
next inner layer :  2 more rows
every subsequent signal layer : 1 more row.

So first decide the number of rows you want to dig into and then
calculate the number of layers. Dont count the power/ground pins for
this since they will directly connect to the plane layers with vias.

Read applicatio  notes on Xilinx and Altera about BGA layout. It is
tricky, dont do it unless you are certain.

TIP: Make sure the feedthrough vias near the BGA pads are tented. Else
the solder paste can get sucked into the via.
James Morrison - 30 Mar 2005 22:22 GMT
> I want to ask a question:
>
> I am doing a project which needs a DSP chip with BGA package. It has
> 272 pins. Is double layer PCB enough for routing?

If you need a DSP then presumably you need it because it needs to crunch
numbers.  In that case you're going to need a good power and ground
plane and power distribution network.  So two layers is certainly not
enough.

The number of layers you'll need depends on how the 272 balls are
configured on the package and how the signals go to those balls.

Analog devices has a 576-ball BGA in which there are only I/O signals on
the outer 4 layers around the outside of the BGA.  The inside is all
ground and power pins.  This makes breakout much easier.  I was able to
lay that out with 4 signal layers.  It could have been done with
2-layers with a few of the system requirements relaxed.

Other determining factors are what trace widths and separation rules you
can use/afford with your board shop and the pitch of the 272 balls, the
size of the overall board assembly, the pitch of the BGA balls, the via
drill size, the annular ring size, ....

If you could route the signals on two layers then at a bare minimum
you'll need 4-layers.  I would imagine that will more than likely become
6-layers and quite possibly 8-layers.  The board I did with 4 layers of
routing also had 4 layers of power/ground planes for a total of 8.

Take this as a reference only.  Without knowing the rest of the details
I can only speculate.  YMMV.

Cheers.
rasth@fakename.com - 31 Mar 2005 02:41 GMT
> > I want to ask a question:
> >
> > I am doing a project which needs a DSP chip with BGA package. It
has
> > 272 pins. Is double layer PCB enough for routing?
>
> If you need a DSP then presumably you need it because it needs to
crunch
> numbers.  In that case you're going to need a good power and ground
> plane and power distribution network.  So two layers is certainly
not
> enough.
>
> The number of layers you'll need depends on how the 272 balls are
> configured on the package and how the signals go to those balls.
>
> Analog devices has a 576-ball BGA in which there are only I/O
signals on
> the outer 4 layers around the outside of the BGA.  The inside is
all
> ground and power pins.  This makes breakout much easier.  I was
able to
> lay that out with 4 signal layers.  It could have been done with
> 2-layers with a few of the system requirements relaxed.
>
> Other determining factors are what trace widths and separation
rules you
> can use/afford with your board shop and the pitch of the 272 balls,
the
> size of the overall board assembly, the pitch of the BGA balls, the
via
> drill size, the annular ring size, ....
>
> If you could route the signals on two layers then at a bare minimum
> you'll need 4-layers.  I would imagine that will more than likely
become
> 6-layers and quite possibly 8-layers.  The board I did with 4
layers of
> routing also had 4 layers of power/ground planes for a total of 8.
>
> Take this as a reference only.  Without knowing the rest of the
details
> I can only speculate.  YMMV.
>
> Cheers.

You need to consider all of that, plus the characteristic trace
impedance and termination strategy. Also power plane decoupling. I
would not ever try this on a two layer board, plus I would thrash an
engineer who suggested it!
 
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