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why sine waves in power lines and why not square wave!

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Shashi - 30 Apr 2007 05:31 GMT
Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?
Michael A. Terrell - 30 Apr 2007 05:43 GMT
> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
> shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

  Why do you think should we use square waves?

  You couldn't afford to pay your electric bill if it was a square
wave, because the line and transformer losses would be excessive.

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Eeyore - 30 Apr 2007 07:31 GMT
> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
> shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

Why are you an idiot HABSHI ?

Graham
Michael A. Terrell - 30 Apr 2007 16:16 GMT
> > Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
> > shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?
>
> Why are you an idiot HABSHI ?
>
> Graham

  You're his role model?

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John Fields - 30 Apr 2007 16:50 GMT
>> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
>> shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?
>
>Why are you an idiot HABSHI ?

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Why are you such an a.shole?  This is seb and your abuse is totally
uncalled for.
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John Larkin - 30 Apr 2007 17:12 GMT
>> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
>> shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?
>
>Why are you an idiot HABSHI ?
>
>Graham

It's not a bad question for a basics group. Why so crabby today?

John
Paul E. Schoen - 30 Apr 2007 08:54 GMT
> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
> shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

An AC generator, by virtue of its design, produces sine wave voltage. A
square wave could be produced from a DC source, but the harmonics would
cause extreme losses as well as annoying audible noise. Three phase AC
produces constant power, which means the generator will not present a
variable load to the driving force, and maximizes efficiency.

Higher frequency AC can be more efficient by reducing sizes of
transformers, motors, and other magnetic components, but audible noise
becomes even more annoying, and long distance transmission suffers from
higher losses. Many long distance HV transmission lines are now DC,
converted back and forth from/to AC by means of SCRs, IGBTs, and other
solid state devices.

Paul
Charlie Siegrist - 30 Apr 2007 14:35 GMT
On 29 Apr 2007 21:31:44 -0700, in message
<1177907504.620230.30140@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Shashi
<shashidharaar@gmail.com> scribed:

>Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines?

Because it's the cheapest and easiest way to transmit power, and the second
most efficient means.

> Why shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

What would you use to produce the square wave?  What would its advantages
be for power transmission?  What would be the disadvantages?
Phil Allison - 30 Apr 2007 15:09 GMT
"Shashi"

> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines?

**  Cos that is what rotating generators / alternators have produced since
decades.

> Why shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

** Cos the ratio of RMS to peak value being  0.71 has become so important.

Square wave power that would operate lamps normally would not operate 90%
of electronics.

........   Phil
John Larkin - 30 Apr 2007 17:11 GMT
>Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
>shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

Transformers and motors would be inefficient and very noisy. Light
bulbs would be noisy, too. Power distribution systems would have
terrible spike and ringing problems, and capacitor or rotating
power-factor correction wouldn't work. The square waves would be
hopelessly distorted by the time they got to a load.

Is that enough?

Long-distance high-voltage transmission lines are sometimes DC.

John
John E. - 30 Apr 2007 17:43 GMT
> Long-distance high-voltage transmission lines are sometimes DC.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie>

And I thought T. Edison was the last person to have promoted DC transmission.

Live and learn...
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Stanislaw Flatto - 30 Apr 2007 23:35 GMT
> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
> shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

Because sine is defined exactly in time and does NOT introduce harmonics
which can have unpredictable influences on different products.
BTW, what IS 'square wave AC?'
This kind of 'math' keeps the "penny counters" happy and the industry
prosperous.

HTH

Stanislaw.
Sjouke Burry - 01 May 2007 00:52 GMT
> Why are we using sine wave A.C in power transmission lines? Why
> shouldn't we use Square wave AC instead of Sine?

Sine is easier to generate, higher harmonics
cause power loss, and unwanted noise.
 
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