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Walt Fles - 26 Apr 2007 21:37 GMT
A princess walked into Radio Shack holding a frog.  And she said to
the sales person,
"can you help me with this, my prince got turned into a frog"?

So the salesperson sold her a TTL 7404.
Tom Biasi - 26 Apr 2007 22:45 GMT
>A princess walked into Radio Shack holding a frog.  And she said to
> the sales person,
> "can you help me with this, my prince got turned into a frog"?
>
> So the salesperson sold her a TTL 7404.

With all due respect, that joke goes back to the 70's. :-)

For you young folk, a TTL 7404 is a HEX Inverter.

Tom
Walt Fles - 27 Apr 2007 00:29 GMT
>> A princess walked into Radio Shack holding a frog.  And she said to
>> the sales person,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Tom
At least somebody from my generation got it.
notbob - 27 Apr 2007 00:34 GMT
> At least somebody from my generation got it.

Yeah, but can they read sanskrit?

nb
Michael A. Terrell - 27 Apr 2007 01:43 GMT
> >> A princess walked into Radio Shack holding a frog.  And she said to
> >> the sales person,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > Tom
> At least somebody from my generation got it.

  The real joke is that someone from Radio Shack even KNEW what a 7404
was.

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Lord Garth - 27 Apr 2007 05:32 GMT
> > > For you young folk, a TTL 7404 is a HEX Inverter.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>    The real joke is that someone from Radio Shack even KNEW what a 7404
> was.

You've got questions, they have blank stares (and a cellular to sell you).
Michael A. Terrell - 27 Apr 2007 06:23 GMT
> You've got questions, they have blank stares (and a cellular to sell you).

  You've got questions, they have blank stares (and minds).

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ehsjr - 27 Apr 2007 21:16 GMT
>>You've got questions, they have blank stares (and a cellular to sell you).
>
>    You've got questions, they have blank stares (and minds).

They have minds?

Ed
Michael A. Terrell - 27 Apr 2007 21:21 GMT
> >>You've got questions, they have blank stares (and a cellular to sell you).
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Ed

  Sure, but they come off the same production line as "Dummy
Components"  They look real, and have real leads, but there is nothing
inside the package..

<http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYA,GWYA:2006-31,G
WYA:en&q=Dummy+Components
>

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Homer J Simpson - 27 Apr 2007 07:15 GMT
>> The real joke is that someone from Radio Shack even KNEW what a 7404
>> was.
> You've got questions, they have blank stares (and a cellular to sell you).

"You've got questions, they've got pimples".
Stephen J. Rush - 27 Apr 2007 09:21 GMT
>> > > For you young folk, a TTL 7404 is a HEX Inverter.
>> > >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> You've got questions, they have blank stares (and a cellular to sell you).

It was different in the TRS-80 era.  For a while, you could actually buy all of
the parts for an 8080-based computer (but not a Z-80, go figure) there,
and some of their employees were hardware hackers.

Of course, those were exceptions.  I once asked to see the character set
of one of their oddball printers (the one that had a steel platen drum
with a star-shaped cross section). It was connected to a running computer,
so the counterdroid started typing PRINT "ABCD...". I asked him why he
didn't just use  a FOR loop, and got a blank stare.
Doug Miller - 27 Apr 2007 14:05 GMT
>>    The real joke is that someone from Radio Shack even KNEW what a 7404 was.
>>
>You've got questions, they have blank stares (and a cellular to sell you).

That's *so* true. I have three Rat Shack stores nearby, with apparently only
one competent employee between them. "Hookup wire? You mean speaker wire?"

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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Walt Fles - 27 Apr 2007 21:22 GMT
> In article <Q1fYh.1378$tp5....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, "Lord Garth" <LGa...@Tantalus.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

There is nothing better than being a hobbyist and seeing them rip out
25 pair wire.
I once had 50 feet of that from a place I worked at, and I stripped it
and cut it up and
made all my friends in college happy with all this wire they didn't
have to pay for!
Michael A. Terrell - 28 Apr 2007 00:16 GMT
> There is nothing better than being a hobbyist and seeing them rip out
> 25 pair wire.
> I once had 50 feet of that from a place I worked at, and I stripped it
> and cut it up and
> made all my friends in college happy with all this wire they didn't
> have to pay for!

  25 feet?  you would have freaked out of 16 feet of brand new 200
pair, or the thousands of feet I've salvaged over the past 40 years.  In
fact, I have salvaged and reused entire 1A2 key phone systems, both five
and ten line, which used 50 pair.

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Lord Garth - 28 Apr 2007 01:17 GMT
<snip>
>    25 feet?  you would have freaked out of 16 feet of brand new 200
> pair, or the thousands of feet I've salvaged over the past 40 years.  In
> fact, I have salvaged and reused entire 1A2 key phone systems, both five
> and ten line, which used 50 pair.

Sadly, the metal reclaim depots will not accept insulated wire.  The city
frowns of people burning off the insulation as well.

Unless you can build a machine that can do the job, it's not economical
even with the rise in prices.
Michael A. Terrell - 28 Apr 2007 02:25 GMT
> <snip>
> >    25 feet?  you would have freaked out of 16 feet of brand new 200
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Unless you can build a machine that can do the job, it's not economical
> even with the rise in prices.

  Motor driven metal rollers can crush the isolation, leaving bare
copper.  Some large copiers have nice gear driven roller sets.  You only
need the right speed motor, and a guide plate with holes for different
wire gauges.

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Lord Garth - 28 Apr 2007 02:48 GMT
> > Sadly, the metal reclaim depots will not accept insulated wire.  The city
> > frowns of people burning off the insulation as well.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> need the right speed motor, and a guide plate with holes for different
> wire gauges.

Does this work only on the individual wires or could a complete CAT5
cable be run through?

There was a large copy machine by the building dumpster yesterday
as luck would have it.  I thought of ripping the motor(s) out but didn't get
around to it.

When I wired this office I'm sitting in  now, I created four five foot high
piles of CAT5 that were probably 15 feet in diameter, from the removal
of the old wiring.  I'm sure it was good money to someone that could
strip it.
Michael A. Terrell - 28 Apr 2007 03:02 GMT
> > > Sadly, the metal reclaim depots will not accept insulated wire.  The
> city
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> of the old wiring.  I'm sure it was good money to someone that could
> strip it.

 It will, but it would probably take several passes.  One to remove the
jacket, and another to strip the twisted pairs. I would cut it into
short pieces so that a single strand could be run through at a time, so
that it doesn't crush the copper into tiny bits. Six feet is usually
short enough to separate in a few seconds per pair.  My design was for
electrical wire, but it can be scaled up, or down for other sizes.

  BTW, I have been trying to arrange some oral surgery for a long
time.  If I don't get it soon, I probably won't be around much longer.
The antibiotics run out tomorrow morning, and every oral surgeon in my
area has taken one look at the xray and refused to even attempt to
remove the infected teeth.  The Florida State Dental school wants $110 a
tooth for emergency extractions, then they play a lousy lottery game
with their potential patients every day.  It's a 90 minute trip for me
to get to the college. You have to be there before 7:00 AM, then after
everyone has registered, they draw names of those they will treat, that
day.  That means that i have to find someone willing and able to take a
day off from work, until i finally get treatment.  Also, they only do
one tooth per patient, per day.

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Lord Garth - 28 Apr 2007 04:07 GMT
>    BTW, I have been trying to arrange some oral surgery for a long
> time.  If I don't get it soon, I probably won't be around much longer.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> day off from work, until i finally get treatment.  Also, they only do
> one tooth per patient, per day.

Can the VA help you?
Michael A. Terrell - 28 Apr 2007 04:23 GMT
> >    BTW, I have been trying to arrange some oral surgery for a long
> > time.  If I don't get it soon, I probably won't be around much longer.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Can the VA help you?

 Not anymore.  Our wonderful CONgress has passed a law making it
illegal for the VA to do dental work, unless it is directly service
connected, or until a Veteran has been homeless in excess of 60 days.
They are allowed to do it, at exorbitant rates, and will take it out of
my next pension check(s).  If I pay their price, I will be homeless.  I
have 11 teeth left, but two are so bad that I wake up screaming in pain.

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Lord Garth - 30 Apr 2007 01:14 GMT
> > Can the VA help you?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> my next pension check(s).  If I pay their price, I will be homeless.  I
> have 11 teeth left, but two are so bad that I wake up screaming in pain.

A friend had an infected root in a molar.  I took him to the dentist on a
weekend.  The x-ray showed just how much bone loss was involved.

The dentist deaden the area then simply drained it by using a probe to
pierce the gum.  This virtually ended the pain and allows the bone to
heal.  Antibiotics help with the infection if you can get them.

A crown is required but that can wait a while.
notbob - 30 Apr 2007 01:37 GMT
> heal.  Antibiotics help with the infection if you can get them.

If you don't get them, the dentist is incompetent.  I had one fail to
give me antibiotics and actually sealed up the opening in the tooth
...twice!.  It reinfected both times.  He then went on vacation and
hung me out to dry.  I had to find another dentist and have it done
properly ...antibiotics and left open to drain.  If I ever run across
the first SOB in a dark alley, he's gonna need a dentist.

nb
jasen - 28 Apr 2007 07:48 GMT
>> There is nothing better than being a hobbyist and seeing them rip out
>> 25 pair wire.
>> I once had 50 feet of that from a place I worked at, and I stripped it
>> and cut it up and
>> made all my friends in college happy with all this wire they didn't
>> have to pay for!

>    25 feet?  you would have freaked out of 16 feet of brand new 200
> pair, or the thousands of feet I've salvaged over the past 40 years.  In
> fact, I have salvaged and reused entire 1A2 key phone systems, both five
> and ten line, which used 50 pair.

when I was in primary school I scored 20m of 5O pair cable (in 5 pieces)
it lasted me (and friends) a until I finished university.

among other things I soldered many pieces together and I used it for the
intercom I built (if you use 20V you can go hands-free with the carbon
microphones and speakers from old phones)

Bye.
  Jasen
Michael A. Terrell - 28 Apr 2007 15:44 GMT
> >> There is nothing better than being a hobbyist and seeing them rip out
> >> 25 pair wire.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Bye.
>    Jasen

  At one time I had a full, 1000 foot spool of 25 pair cable and a half
dozen new 66 series blocks donated to the Christian TV station where I
worked.  I used it to install wiring for telethons and to allow
emergency telephones to be plugged into the office and studio phone
lines in case of an emergency, when no AC power was available.  It saved
a lot of time over the previous method of running whatever you needed
that day with 4 conductor "Station" wire.

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Lord Garth - 27 Apr 2007 05:31 GMT
> >> A princess walked into Radio Shack holding a frog.  And she said to
> >> the sales person,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > Tom
> At least somebody from my generation got it.

Make that at least two.... but it's a boo joke!
PhattyMo - 27 Apr 2007 01:02 GMT
>> A princess walked into Radio Shack holding a frog.  And she said to
>> the sales person,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Tom

I was gonna say,it must be an old joke..RatShak didn't even carry logic
gates anymore,the last time I was in there,looking for one.
You'd be lucky to find anything *OTHER* than a crappy cellphone or
crappy PC in a RS store these days.
Walt Fles - 27 Apr 2007 02:19 GMT
>>> A princess walked into Radio Shack holding a frog.  And she said to
>>> the sales person,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> You'd be lucky to find anything *OTHER* than a crappy cellphone or
> crappy PC in a RS store these days.
I think I read it in a copy of Popular Electronics or maybe Elementary
Electronics.  I can still build logic and solve a Karnaugh map 20 years
after graduating from college - but heck if I know what goes on in a
Northbridge.
 
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