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Jon Slaughter - 30 Jan 2007 13:19 GMT
I want to play around a little with the effects of piezo electric crystals
but I'm weary of tearing up my clock's to get them(and the one I did tear up
broke the crystal ;/)

Is there any easy source for these(easy means quick and cheap)?  Are these
things very critical in handling or, say, could I just get some of these
quartz crystals and break of piece and then play around with its effects?

What I'm mainly intersted in play with are the ultrasonic effects. It
doesn't have to be anything advance but just so I can have some direct
experience with them and see them working in action.

Any ideas?
jacksan - 30 Jan 2007 13:35 GMT
Digikey sells piezo 'elements' (such as #102-1126).
j

>I want to play around a little with the effects of piezo electric crystals
>but I'm weary of tearing up my clock's to get them(and the one I did tear
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> Any ideas?
Jon Slaughter - 30 Jan 2007 14:25 GMT
> Digikey sells piezo 'elements' (such as #102-1126).
> j

You wouldn't happen to know the variance in utility of these things? On all
electronics there are several piezo elements for under a dollar but they all
seem like they were for a specific application(piezoelectric speaker).  I'm
wondering if there are limited applications for many of these configurations
or if I can pretty much interchange them. e.g., like rip up an old cheap
microphone that I don't use and get the crystal in there and then use it for
some ultrasonic stuff? I guess what I'm trying to ask is how general are
these devices? (Obviously dimension and quality would be important factors
but I have no idea how much)

I've found some piezo film sheets that are about 2-3$/sq. This is pretty
expensive I suppose but I imagine I can cut the things up into smaller
pieces(although I suppose this might dislodge the pieze crystal) and could
get many chips from it(since I suppose the average chip size I would use is
about 1 cm).

I'd rather just find some around the house though as theses things are used
in just about everything.

Thanks,
Jon
Martin - 30 Jan 2007 16:58 GMT
> > Digikey sells piezo 'elements' (such as #102-1126).
> > j
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> these devices? (Obviously dimension and quality would be important factors
> but I have no idea how much)

Take a porshe  and try to haul a grand piano to a new house ...
Take a U-haul truck and try to race on a twisty track ...
Kinda works but not quite optimum ....

The dimensions and shapes (and even the housings and mountings)  
strongly affect how well the piezo buzzers will work for a given
application.

Using speakers as microphones and vice versa can work, as can using
stuff in frequency ranges it's not designed for ... but it may work
well, or it may work REALLY crappy, or anywhere in between ...
depending on a lot of factors (some of which I can guess at, others I
have no clue)

FWIW, years ago I bought a bunch of radioshacks cube shaped piezo
super tweeters
when they were discontinued.
I was able to use them as both ultrasonic senders and recievers,
although efficiency was probably low.

Have fun experimenting if you like, but realize that good results are
STRONGLY dependent on matching device characteristics to application.

> I've found some piezo film sheets that are about 2-3$/sq. This is pretty
> expensive I suppose but I imagine I can cut the things up into smaller
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> Thanks,
> Jon
Jon Slaughter - 30 Jan 2007 18:01 GMT
>> > Digikey sells piezo 'elements' (such as #102-1126).
>> > j
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> Have fun experimenting if you like, but realize that good results are
> STRONGLY dependent on matching device characteristics to application.

Sure. I think though at this point I don't need to worry about those issues.
I mean, I'd like to try some ultrasonic stuff, say above 100khz and below 1M
but if I'm going to have to have special piezo's to get any decent results
then I suppose its not worth it unless these things are cheap enough to buy
for fun.

I've just been reading up lately on all the applications these things have
and its quite amazing. I want to play around with and see for myself how
they work but don't want to deal with it if its to much of a hassle.

Thanks,
Jon
John Fields - 30 Jan 2007 17:02 GMT
>I want to play around a little with the effects of piezo electric crystals
>but I'm weary of tearing up my clock's to get them(and the one I did tear up
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>
>Any ideas?

Get a butane barbecue lighter. There's one in there which makes the
spark which ignites the gas.


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Jon Slaughter - 30 Jan 2007 18:02 GMT
>>I want to play around a little with the effects of piezo electric crystals
>>but I'm weary of tearing up my clock's to get them(and the one I did tear
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> Get a butane barbecue lighter. There's one in there which makes the
> spark which ignites the gas.

Yeah, I thought about that.  All the lighters I have are friction based ;/

Thanks,
Jon
 
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