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3rd World Cabin Power Supply Solution

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Bret Cahill - 30 Oct 2006 03:24 GMT
The power only comes on for a few hours a day and it is often as low as
80 volts.  I was thinking an 18 volt DC power supply could charge up
some deep cycle batteries when the power is on and the voltage is low
but I can't be there 24/7.

All I need to power is a small refrigerator and a some LED lights --
ave. 200 watts.

Is there any off the shelf solution that could manage everything?

Bret Cahill
Homer J Simpson - 30 Oct 2006 04:15 GMT
> The power only comes on for a few hours a day and it is often as low as
> 80 volts.  I was thinking an 18 volt DC power supply could charge up
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> Is there any off the shelf solution that could manage everything?

Need more facts. AC or DC power? How much can you draw?
kell - 30 Oct 2006 16:24 GMT
> The power only comes on for a few hours a day and it is often as low as
> 80 volts.  I was thinking an 18 volt DC power supply could charge up
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> Bret Cahill

Charging your batteries from an 18 volt power supply might not be such
a good idea.  For charging batteries, you need a battery charger.  If
you can find one that works at 80 volts, you're more than halfway there.
John - 30 Oct 2006 22:45 GMT
>The power only comes on for a few hours a day and it is often as low as
>80 volts.  I was thinking an 18 volt DC power supply could charge up
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Bret Cahill

Is the refrigerator AC, DC or both?

If AC only (uses a compressor), then you're looking at storing power
in some BIG lead-acid batteries ($$$) and using a big inverter ($$$)
to run the refrigerator.

If the refrigerator is DC or AC/DC capable, then it probably uses 12
or 24 volts DC and your backup power source should be designed to
provide the correct voltage (lead-acid batteries $$).  Note that this
is a less expensive option, as the direct heat-cycle refrigerators use
much less power than the compressor-powered compression/expansion
cycle refrigerators.  These refrigerators are usually only available
in smaller sizes - you won't find an 18 cu. ft. (or equivalent metric
size) unit unless you have nearly unlimited funds ;-)
Sample AC/DC/LPgas unit is $425US:
http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4453&itemType=PROD
UCT&iMainCat=816&iSubCat=896&iProductID=4453

There are also LPgas (only $1300US) and kerosene powered ($1800US)
units:
http://www.lehmans.com/jump.jsp?itemID=896&itemType=CATEGORY&path=1%2C2%2C676%2C
810%2C816


If your cooling needs are small (space) and the temperature
requirements are limited (44F below ambient temperature), a
thermoelectric (peltier effect) cooler might work.  This is basically
a picnic cooler that uses a thermoelectric cooling module instead of
ice.  Typical units are $80US - $150US depending on size and features.
Sample unit (can hold 40 soda cans, or 4 or 5 two liter bottles):
http://www.okto.com/sports/product_info.php?products_id=156075

When charging batteries from an unreliable power source, you'll need a
charger that can operate from the reduced voltage supply and still
provide enough output to charge the batteries in the limited amount of
time that power is available.  The charger must also prevent
overcharge in the event that power is available at higher voltage
and/or for longer periods.  A charger that meets these specs is not
likely to be readily available (except at the off-grid suppliers, such
as the solar power vendors), nor will it be inexpensive.  

Since the batteries are likely to be subjected to deep discharge
cycles, you should plan on getting deep-cycle batteries - in a
capacity that can provide at least three days worth of power (so the
batteries will not be discharged below 50% on a typical day).  This
will be more expensive initially, but less expensive long-term because
of the increased battery life.

If this is a short-term need (less than a year), then automobile
batteries *might* be adequate, but they are NOT designed for the type
of deep discharge that your description implies.

You might also consider solar panels to charge the batteries - the
solar panels do work most of the day ;-)

John
 
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