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lerameur - 25 Oct 2006 21:24 GMT
Hello,

Anybody can tell me where I can buy resistive tape. Any code numbers at
Digikey. I do not mean  electrical tape. I want to use it in an toy
elevator, and will use it to calculate the precise height of an object,
mainly a long voltage divider scheme

thank you

ken
Tom Biasi - 25 Oct 2006 21:33 GMT
> Hello,
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> ken

You used the word "precise", your method is not going to give you precise
results.
There are a number of ways to get pretty accurate results, the best for the
dollar is probably something like counting bars on a strip or powering the
unit with a stepper motor and tracking the steps.
Tom
DJ Delorie - 25 Oct 2006 21:34 GMT
Can you use a carbon lead from a mechanical pencil?
Charles Schuler - 25 Oct 2006 22:29 GMT
> Hello,
>
> Anybody can tell me where I can buy resistive tape. Any code numbers at
> Digikey. I do not mean  electrical tape. I want to use it in an toy
> elevator, and will use it to calculate the precise height of an object,
> mainly a long voltage divider scheme

Potentiometer with a string and a pulley?  There are multi-turn
potentiometers out there, by the way.

Optics?  Gray code, or a simple bar/stripe counter?

Precise ... aah, that is the real question ... how accurate does this have
to be?
Jon Slaughter - 26 Oct 2006 09:23 GMT
>> Hello,
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> Precise ... aah, that is the real question ... how accurate does this have
> to be?

It is a for a toy so I think he might need to use the newest cutting edge
lasers.
Rich Grise - 31 Oct 2006 19:20 GMT
> "lerameur" <lerameur@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> Hello,
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> Precise ... aah, that is the real question ... how accurate does this have
> to be?

On one of those home improvement shows on TeeVee the other day, they had
made a dumbwaiter from a garage door opener.

Good Luck!
Rich
Yukio YANO - 25 Oct 2006 22:38 GMT
> Hello,
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> ken

Why not just rework a computer mouse! Everything you need is there, you
could even use a spare mouse to troubleshoot the software/hardware. It
would eliminate the need for an A/D converter.

Yukio YANO
James Thompson - 25 Oct 2006 23:51 GMT
> Hello,
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> ken

If you want precise, code a strip with punched holes with say 4 holes across
and use binary encoding.  At each step or floor a set of four photo
transistor read the binary number encoded on the strip. That way you just
use a geared motor or a stepper and have it stop when it finds the number at
the strip.  JTT.
lerameur - 26 Oct 2006 01:04 GMT
well I want to be precise. i will need it to stop at every 5mm, and on
the way down ned it to stop at the same spot.
Maybe use the same thing they use in wheel encoders ?

ken
Chris - 26 Oct 2006 18:37 GMT
> well I want to be precise. i will need it to stop at every 5mm, and on
> the way down ned it to stop at the same spot.
> Maybe use the same thing they use in wheel encoders ?
>
> ken

Hi, Ken.  Easiest way is to use a gearmotor with a cam to trigger a
microswitch to stop the motor after every turn.  You can use a relay to
override the cam to start for the next turn.  I can assure you a
toymaker would look at this option first -- it's cheapest and most
reliable.

If you want something a little more esoteric, you might want to place
magnets on each floor, and have a hall-effect sensor in the elevator
(or at slightly greater expense, do the reverse).  You might also have
a separate sensor or switch for the floor (home position).

If those don't do it, your encoder setup might be relatively simple.
By reading quadrature, you can tell distance *and* direction.  Again,
you'll need a home sensor.

Another possibility would be using a long threaded bolt with a riding
nut to get the distance.  If you use a metric pitch, your 5mm could be
just a certain integral number of revolutions.  Again, a switch or
sensor to determine revolutions, and one for the home position, and
you're done.  This means gives you a great mechanical advantage, which
can be a blessing or a curse.

For any of this, counting revolutions may be a hassle.  If so, you
might want to use a stepper motor instead of a gearmotor -- it has a
set number of steps per revolution, and you can just count those.
Steppers are easy to interface to digital logic or microcontrollers

You'll notice I'm kind of edging away from your original suggestion.
The reason is your use of the word, "precise".  Resistive tape doesn't
exist, and even if it did, it would probably wear out right away from
the force and friction of the wiper.  But it's not very likely you'll
be too satisfied with the precision of any resistive solution that's
relatively inexpensive.  Various solutions might include gearing to a
potentiometer, using resistive wire element with a wiper and a current
source.  No linearity.  Using these to accurately gauge distance won't
work.  Your results might be repeatable, but they definitely won't be
accurate.

The expensive means is to use a linear potentiometer, but they're too
expensive for toys.  Don't go there.

Hope this has been of help.  If one of these ideas sounds promising,
and you'd like to know more, feel free to post again.

Cheers
Chris
Tom Biasi - 26 Oct 2006 22:01 GMT
>> well I want to be precise. i will need it to stop at every 5mm, and on
>> the way down ned it to stop at the same spot.
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> Cheers
> Chris

Hey Chris,
I like this approach.
He could stop the motor on every tooth of a gear but override the action
with relay shunt contacts.
On the desired floor there could be a microswitch to drop the relay and let
the gear stop the motor.
I like it.

Tom
mgkelson@yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2006 22:28 GMT
> Hello,
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> ken

I don't see anything popping up like that at Digikey. However, it looks
like resistance wire is pretty common. Here's a couple of examples:

Resistance Wire 1.30 ohms/foot 22 ga KAN AF
Resistance Wire 5.23 ohms/foot 28 ga KAN AF

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22resistance+wire%22
lerameur - 27 Oct 2006 16:15 GMT
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> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22resistance+wire%22

Thanks for your ideas. So far I think the best way is using a servo
motor with  roughly 3% angle shift.  I do not want this to be too
complicated and costly. I do not know how reliable are servo motors,
nerver worked with them.  Just a it worried  that after many trips up
and down it might skip a gear knotch.

ken
 
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