Desoldering: Thin layer of solder left on pads
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longjohnstuartmill@hotmail.com - 28 Nov 2005 05:27 GMT Hi,
I'm not sure if this is a problem or not. When I desolder resistors from a PCB, the desoldering wick sucks up enough solder to remove the resistors, but leaves a thin layer of solder on the copper pads that is _extremely_ difficult to remove. Is this a normal desoldering experience? Do I have to remove all of the solder before inserting a new component, and if the answer is 'yes' do you have any suggestions on how to do this?
The materials I'm using are:
Desoldering braid dipped in liquid rosin flux 25-watt Weller soldering iron 97/03 tin/silver solder
Thank you very much.
P.S. Also, I would like to thank the people that responded to my voltage polarity question a couple of weeks ago. You guys really helped a lot.
John Popelish - 28 Nov 2005 05:35 GMT >...When I desolder resistors > from a PCB, the desoldering wick sucks up enough solder to remove the > resistors, but leaves a thin layer of solder on the copper pads that is > _extremely_ difficult to remove. Is this a normal desoldering > experience? Yes. What is left is called a tinned copper surface and is perfectly fine. It will help the new solder to coat the copper easily.
> Do I have to remove all of the solder before inserting a > new component, and if the answer is 'yes' do you have any > suggestions on how to do this? No. Once enough solder has been removed to easily remove the original component and insert the new one, you have removed enough solder.
> The materials I'm using are: > > Desoldering braid dipped in liquid rosin flux > 25-watt Weller soldering iron > 97/03 tin/silver solder (snip)
That solder has a high melting point that will easily damage many circuit boards, separating the copper from the substrate. Must you use lead free solder? 63% tin, 37% lead solder melts at a much lower temperature. 62% tin, 36% lead, 2% silver melts almost as easily, and gives a fine looking joint.
longjohnstuartmill@hotmail.com - 28 Nov 2005 12:20 GMT > That solder has a high melting point that will easily damage many > circuit boards, separating the copper from the substrate. Must you > use lead free solder? 63% tin, 37% lead solder melts at a much lower > temperature. 62% tin, 36% lead, 2% silver melts almost as easily, and > gives a fine looking joint. I've tried 60/40 tin/lead solder and noticed a huge difference between the solder with lead and the stuff without, especially when I was using a 15-watt iron from Radio Shack. That iron could barely melt the lead-free stuff. Most of my solder joints looked like crumpled up tin foil.
The main reason I was using lead-free solder was to make it safer for people/pets, because I'm working at home. I'm not sure if that's a good reason or not. I just wasn't crazy about having lots of little pieces of lead laying around for unsuspecting critters to walk in and track around the house, or the best way to clean the mess up, so I avoided the problem entirely. :)
With that said, I may switch back now, as long as I can keep my work area squeaky clean. What sort of steps to you take to keep everything tidy? Just a decent broom? Or do you even worry about it?
Thanks again for the help.
John Popelish - 28 Nov 2005 15:39 GMT > I've tried 60/40 tin/lead solder and noticed a huge difference between > the solder with lead and the stuff without, especially when I was using [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > area squeaky clean. What sort of steps to you take to keep everything > tidy? Just a decent broom? Or do you even worry about it? I do a lot of soldering on the kitchen table and I try to remember to wipe it clean before making a sandwich there, but I don't worry too much about it. The lead in 63 37 solder is pretty well locked up in the alloy as far as absorbing it in the body, compared to lead oxides used in old paint, etc. I think there is very little risk from ingesting an occasional tiny solder ball.
Make sure you have a good quality, activated rosin core solder designed for electrical work. For hand soldering, I have less success with the no clean solder. The flux just doesn't do as good a job at helping the solder wet the board and component leads. Never use plumbing solder paste flux on a circuit board. It leaves a residue that conducts electricity and corrodes metals it contacts.
If the flux and temperature are right, the joints should have a bright shine, especially when eutectic alloys are used. These do not go through a pasty stage (crystals of the excess metal growing in the eutectic liquid before the freezing temperature is reached) but solidify very suddenly.
Here is an interesting document on some flux choices: http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Kester/Web%20Data/285%20RMA%20Solder.pdf
Rich Grise - 30 Nov 2005 01:05 GMT On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:20:09 -0800, longjohnstuartmill wrote:
>> That solder has a high melting point that will easily damage many >> circuit boards, separating the copper from the substrate. Must you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > people/pets, because I'm working at home. I'm not sure if that's a > good reason or not. It's not. People have been using 63/37 eutectic solder in their home labs for ever since electronics was discovered, and nobody's reported any ill effects yet.
> I just wasn't crazy about having lots of little > pieces of lead laying around for unsuspecting critters to walk in and > track around the house, or the best way to clean the mess up, so I > avoided the problem entirely. :) Just don't leave little pieces of _solder_ (you're not melting down car battery plates, are you?) lying around where pets and children can lick them up off the floor. And even then, the dead epidermis cells and dust mite feces are probably more hazardous. ;-p
> With that said, I may switch back now, as long as I can keep my work > area squeaky clean. What sort of steps to you take to keep everything > tidy? Just a decent broom? Or do you even worry about it? Just do your normal, usual, day-to-day, boring, mundane, uninteresting, tedious, dull, dreary, mind-numbing, tiresome, lackluster, unexciting, monotonous, repetitive, wearisome, humdrum, uninspiring housekeeping as usual. Stuff that falls on the floor, even little droplets of solder, is just dirt. Just treat it like ordinary dirt, and you'll be perfectly fine.
:-) > > Thanks again for the help. You're more than welcome. :-)
Have Fun! Rich
Pooh Bear - 30 Nov 2005 04:07 GMT > The main reason I was using lead-free solder was to make it safer for > people/pets, because I'm working at home. I'm not sure if that's a > good reason or not. It's not. The whole lead free thing is a hyped up mess.
You need specialist soldering gear to use lead free reliably too. Specifically, maintaing the correct soldering temperature is far more critical.
Graham
John Popelish - 28 Nov 2005 16:51 GMT > I've tried 60/40 tin/lead solder and noticed a huge differenc betwee
> the solder with lead and the stuff without, especially when I wa usin
> a 15-watt iron from Radio Shack. That iron could barely melt th > lead-free stuff. Most of my solder joints looked like crumpled u ti
> foil > > The main reason I was using lead-free solder was to make it safe fo
> people/pets, because I'm working at home. I'm not sure if that's > good reason or not. I just wasn't crazy about having lots o littl
> pieces of lead laying around for unsuspecting critters to walk i an
> track around the house, or the best way to clean the mess up, so > avoided the problem entirely. : > > With that said, I may switch back now, as long as I can keep my wor > area squeaky clean. What sort of steps to you take to kee everythin
> tidy? Just a decent broom? Or do you even worry about it I do a lot of soldering on the kitchen table and I try to remember to wipe it clean before making a sandwich there, but I don't worry too much about it. The lead in 63 37 solder is pretty well locked up in the alloy as far as absorbing it in the body, compared to lead oxides used in old paint, etc. I think there is very little risk from ingesting an occasional tiny solder ball
Make sure you have a good quality, activated rosin core solder designed for electrical work. For hand soldering, I have less succes
with the no clean solder. The flux just doesn't do as good a job at helping the solder wet the board and component leads. Never use plumbing solder paste flux on a circuit board. It leaves a residue that conducts electricity and corrodes metals it contacts
If the flux and temperature are right, the joints should have a brigh
shine, especially when eutectic alloys are used. These do not go through a pasty stage (crystals of the excess metal growing in the eutectic liquid before the freezing temperature is reached) but solidify very suddenly
Here is an interesting document on some flux choices http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Kester/Web%20Data/285%20RMA%20Solder.pd
Jasen Betts - 29 Nov 2005 07:39 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > experience? Do I have to remove all of the solder before inserting a > new component, no, only enough to get the new component in, if you're experimenting with different components you can often temporarily mount them on the underside, which can be easier, but through-hole mounting is mechanically stronger and therfore reccomended for permanent replacements.
Bye. Jasen
Rich Grise - 30 Nov 2005 00:50 GMT On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:27:31 -0800, longjohnstuartmill wrote:
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > new component, and if the answer is 'yes' do you have any > suggestions on how to do this? I have a suggestion for a thought experiment: If you've removed enough solder that the old component falls out of the hole, what will happen if you try to insert a new component lead into the same hole that the old one has just fallen out of? :-)
Then, part 2: Once the new component is in place, what gets put back into the hole? :-)
Should I leave spoiler space? ;-)
That's as clean as it gets. To get any more solder off of it, you'd have to use sandpaper. The copper is _tinned_, that means "coated with solder". If, after wicking, there are no more big huge lumps, then your wicking job is done.
I apologize if I sound condescending and patronizing here; after all, this is the basics group, and any question is acceptable.
But, I _do_ wonder, being a tech myself, I have to ask, haven't you just tried it and see?
If, in fact, the question was, "am I leaving too much solder?", then the answer is, "If the lead fits, no." :-)
On the other hand, if you're having trouble getting solder out from the inside of the plated-through hole, then the answer could be a solder sucker: http://www.google.com/search?q=solder-sucker
Sorry it took this whole tirade to get to it! Shoulda signed it "Rich the stoner." %-}
Good Luck! Rich
longjohnstuartmill@hotmail.com - 30 Nov 2005 02:13 GMT > But, I _do_ wonder, being a tech myself, I have to ask, haven't you just > tried it and see? I'm sure I could get the component to stick if I put it in there, but I was mostly wondering if doing so was "bad practice," or would cause poor connections/dry joints or something. I guess the answer is "no" on both counts. I should have been more straightforward.
Rich Grise - 30 Nov 2005 19:48 GMT On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:13:08 -0800, longjohnstuartmill wrote:
>> But, I _do_ wonder, being a tech myself, I have to ask, haven't you just >> tried it and see? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > poor connections/dry joints or something. I guess the answer is "no" > on both counts. I should have been more straightforward. Not a problem. Actually, it was one of our better questions. ;-)
But yeah, it's not bad practice. There might be some oxide flakes left over from the old solder, but the new solder and its flux will clean that right up, and the solder will pull itself into the hold by capillary action and any crud will float out and get fluxed away. ;-)
Cheers! Rich
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