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Electronics Forum / Electronics / July 2008Carbon Flourescent Lamps ???
Hi all, just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed: " CFL SAFETY " The very first question reads: Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ? Oh dear ........... ...... Phil > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ...... Phil Looks like enviro-theatre is becoming as ridiculous as the security-theatre we've already had to put up with. "swanny" >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Looks like enviro-theatre is becoming as ridiculous as the > security-theatre we've already had to put up with. ** See ABSE for jpeg of the first page. ...... Phil On Jul 17, 5:01 pm, swanny <blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote: > > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Looks like enviro-theatre is becoming as ridiculous as the security-theatre > we've already had to put up with. Eco-socialists (un-surprisingly) know nothing when its all said and done. Maybe they should just follow the lead of the worlds most famous socialsts and call the bulb "lenin's bulb" like they did during soviet electrification. jailing or shooting anyone who disagrees is also an option worth considering. Meanwhile, Global warming will not stop. > On Jul 17, 5:01 pm, swanny > <blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > electrification. jailing or shooting anyone who disagrees is also an > option worth considering. Meanwhile, Global warming will not stop. It's not called "Global Warming" any more. It's now referred to as "Climate Change". This is to cover the case where warming is short lived and leads into a period of protracted global cooling... >> On Jul 17, 5:01 pm, swanny >> <blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > "Climate Change". This is to cover the case where warming is short lived > and leads into a period of protracted global cooling... My understanding was that "Climate Change" was the preferred term as it was less confusing to laypersons who could not understand that as part of the overall warming process some areas will experience transient cooling that may last many years. The cooling effects can be caused by changes in ocean currents due to ice melts, glacier melts etc. :Hi all, : [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : :...... Phil Sounds like some advertising moron was too embarrased (or too confident in their own knowledge) to ask what CFL meant when asked by management to draw up the leaflet. > Sounds like some advertising moron was too embarrased (or too confident in their > own knowledge) to ask what CFL meant when asked by management to draw up the > leaflet. And will probably blame the spell checker of course. Makes you wonder how many other morons signed off on this effort before it was printed! Then again it may have happened at the printers, but is less likely these days than when type-setting was done manually. Unfortunately the art of proof reading also seems to have fallen out of fashion lately. MrT. > Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ? could be part of that ever growing carbon footprint KRUDD keeps telling us about. Don...  SignatureDon McKenzie Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap E-Mail Contact Page: http://www.dontronics.com/email Xbee Wireless Modules, and low cost Interface Boards. http://www.dontronics-shop.com/xbee-boards.html >> Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ? > > could be part of that ever growing carbon footprint KRUDD keeps telling > us about. > > Don... Has anyone watched "The Greenhouse Conspiracy" and "The Great Global Warming Swindle"? Interesting viewing ... >>> Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Has anyone watched "The Greenhouse Conspiracy" and "The Great Global > Warming Swindle"? Interesting viewing ... If they look anything like Andrew Bolt's page in the Melbourne Herald-Sun today: <http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/colum n_seven_graphs_to_end_the_warming_hype/> it will spark off a lot of controversial comments/feedback. 387 comments since publication this morning. Again, an interesting read. Don... SignatureDon McKenzie Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap E-Mail Contact Page: http://www.dontronics.com/email Xbee Wireless Modules, and low cost Interface Boards. http://www.dontronics-shop.com/xbee-boards.html >>>> Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ? >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Don... Yes, an interesting read, Don. Those two heretical documentaries I mentioned are downloadable as torrent files, by the way. >>>> Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ? >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Don... PS: Thanks for correcting the spelling of 'fluorescent'. :-) > PS: Thanks for correcting the spelling of 'fluorescent'. :-) Without a spell checker and google, I would be just another silly old fart :-) Cheers Don... SignatureDon McKenzie Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap E-Mail Contact Page: http://www.dontronics.com/email Xbee Wireless Modules, and low cost Interface Boards. http://www.dontronics-shop.com/xbee-boards.html >>> Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Has anyone watched "The Greenhouse Conspiracy" and "The Great Global > Warming Swindle"? Interesting viewing ... A documentary called "Global Dimming" shown on the ABC a year or two back is also interesting viewing. The 24hrs post 911 with no planes flying in the states showed a jump in solar radiation back to levels observed in the 1950s. All pretty factual no supposition, gloom & doom, just what was observed etc. Some stuff on it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml > > Don McKenzie wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > A documentary called "Global Dimming" shown on the ABC a year or two back is > also interesting viewing. You bet ! > The 24hrs post 911 with no planes flying in the states showed a jump in > solar radiation back to levels observed in the 1950s. All pretty factual no > supposition, gloom & doom, just what was observed etc. Some stuff on it > here: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml IIRC, the contrails from the planes were keeping the earth slightly cooler. This shows vividly how much 'cloud cover' affects climate far more than a few ppm of CO2. That's just from memory btw. Graham > Has anyone watched "The Greenhouse Conspiracy" and "The Great Global > Warming Swindle"? Interesting viewing ... You know the latter was effectively 'banned' by the US TV networks ? You can find bits or maybe even all of it on youtube I think. Graham On Jul 18, 11:32 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Has anyone watched "The Greenhouse Conspiracy" and "The Great Global > > Warming Swindle"? Interesting viewing ... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Graham Downloaded "great global warming swindle" overnight, after seeing it discussed in this thread Its a film worth watching, well presented "BBC style" documentary. Here is a link to the torrent, (havent got all of "greenhouse conspiracy" yet, its very slow) > On Jul 18, 11:32 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > (havent got all of "greenhouse conspiracy" yet, its very slow) Downloaded "great global warming swindle" overnight, after seeing it discussed in this thread Its a film worth watching, well presented "BBC style" documentary. Here is a link to the torrent, http://sea******rch.utorr********ent.com******* /sea****rch.p***hp?q=great%20global%20********warming %*********20sw***indle&e=ht*****tp%*********3a%*****2f%2fw***ww. mi********nin********ova.org (please remove all **** from the link, if they arent there, Google blocks the post (Nazi type censorship) (havent got all of "greenhouse conspiracy" yet, its very slow) > Downloaded "great global warming swindle" overnight, after seeing it > discussed in this thread > Its a film worth watching, well presented "BBC style" documentary. I think it was Channel 4 but you're right, it is in that class of quality documentary. No funny games, just straight facts and interviews with SERIOUS and well qualified scientists. The public is gradually seeing through the political fog. Give it some years. Graham In a similar vein, I often wonder whether it is deliberate or not - the "horrible polution" pictures we see almost every night on tv, where we are presented with shots of the hyperbolic cooling towers at power stations spewing forth massive clouds of ... beautiful clean steam! Looks impressive, I must admit, but surely SOMEONE must realise? JW² === > In a similar vein, I often wonder whether it is deliberate or not - the > "horrible polution" pictures we see almost every night on tv, where we are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > JW² > === Same applies to the visible car exhaust on a chilly morning - its water vapour! > > In a similar vein, I often wonder whether it is deliberate or not - the > > "horrible polution" pictures we see almost every night on tv, where we are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Same applies to the visible car exhaust on a chilly morning - its water > vapour! Classic 'anything that makes a good picture' stuff. Shame CO2 isn't visible. Even if it is responsible for anything. Graham > In a similar vein, I often wonder whether it is deliberate or not - the > "horrible polution" pictures we see almost every night on tv, where we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > JW² > === Not the media. They are all journalism majors. That means they were too stupid to remember, "DOYALLWANTFRIESWITHDAT". Signaturehttp://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. > Downloaded "great global warming swindle" overnight, after seeing it > discussed in this thread [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (havent got all of "greenhouse conspiracy" yet, its very slow) Apparently when GGWS was shown on ABC-TV last year, the parts with Prof Carl Wunsch were removed because the good professor later said that his comments were edited to give the opposite impression to what he really meant. Also the program has later retracted its claim that volcanos emit more CO2 than all human activity. But that still leaves a lot of stuff worth thinking about, like how many people are getting a very nice income by jumping on the Climate Change bandwagon. Greenhouse Conspiracy was made way back in 1990 when the whole Global Warming thing was just beginning. A few of the people in it also appeared ~15 years later in GGWS. Bob "Bob Parker" > Apparently when GGWS was shown on ABC-TV last year, the parts with Prof > Carl Wunsch were removed because the good professor later said that his > comments were edited to give the opposite impression to what he really > meant. ** Apparently that was his invented cover story for wanting to retract what he said - after it was pointed out to him how damaging to his career it was to be publicly identified as a AGW " sceptic ". BTW: How many global warming sceptics does it take to change a light bulb ? ..... Phil > BTW: > > How many global warming sceptics does it take to change a light bulb ? > > ..... Phil What, a Carbon Fluorescent Lamp or a (wickedly evil planet-destroying) tungsten filament one? :-) > > BTW: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What, a Carbon Fluorescent Lamp or a (wickedly evil > planet-destroying) tungsten filament one? :-) Hm, maybe they got confused with carbon-arc lamp ? :) "kreed" > Hm, maybe they got confused with carbon-arc lamp ? :) ** Here is the same leaflet - on the EnergyAustralia site: http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/energy/ea.nsf/AttachmentsByTitle/CFL+Disposal/ $FILE/CFL_disposal.pdf Google turns up a few hundred hits on the phrase " carbon fluorescent " - most of them from dopes on Green blogs but one is from a CFL maker in India and others from local councils in the UK etc. Crikey !!! ... Phil > "kreed" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Crikey !!! Doesn't surprise me one bit. The Loonies are taking over. Look at Gore and his Nobel for example. Graham > Hm, maybe they got confused with carbon-arc lamp ? :) Even seen one of those ? Graham >> Hm, maybe they got confused with carbon-arc lamp ? :) > > Even seen one of those ? > > Graham 'Even'? ... did you mean 'Ever'? There's probably a pun in that somewhere (remaining eye, etc), but I recall they were used extensively in film, making and projecting, until HID came along. Chris > >> Hm, maybe they got confused with carbon-arc lamp ? :) > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > they were used extensively in film, making and projecting, until HID came > along. Stop the ignorant eye jokes. I had a palsy in my right eye early last month, and can only use one eye and there is absolutely nothing funny about losing depth perception, and almost half your field of view. To add insult to injury, the remaining eye is legally blind, so I am unable to do most things I could seven weeks ago. Signaturehttp://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 'Even'? ... did you mean 'Ever'? Yes. > There's probably a pun in that somewhere (remaining eye, etc), but I recall > they were used extensively in film, making and projecting, until HID came > along. You bet and ancient theatre lighting too IIRC. My school friends and I built one in our spare lab. Despite the significant ballast resistor it still blew a fuse. Graham >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Graham ... with my sincere apologies to anyone I may have offended with my mention of a possible pun. I can remember being shown round Ealing Film Studios as part of a 'management' course when it still had motor-generator sets in its 'power house' to supply DC mains for arc lamps. Must have been in the mid to late seventies. I thought at the time: why do generators always seem to end up having much larger diameters than alternators? Is it something to do with increasing the ripple frequency? Chris > >> Hm, maybe they got confused with carbon-arc lamp ? :) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Chris Yes, in an old cinema projection room about 10 years ago. I doubt it had been energised for decades prior to that, and I wouldnt have risked turning it on after all that time without a thorough check of all the wiring in the place. I also made one about 20 years back using carbon rods cut from out of "d" batteries, and powered it from a couple of 2v Lead acid batteries in series. Worked well, (for what it was) but doubt its very efficient. No mercury though ;) > "Bob Parker" > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > he said - after it was pointed out to him how damaging to his career it > was to be publicly identified as a AGW " sceptic ". I can WELL believe that ! People have lost their jobs for being critical of the AGW monster. Graham > > Downloaded "great global warming swindle" overnight, after seeing it > > discussed in this thread [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > his comments were edited to give the opposite impression to what he > really meant. I think he's being a bit 'precious' about that. The questions and answers were IIRC perfectly clear. > Also the program has later retracted its claim that volcanos emit > more CO2 than all human activity. But that still leaves a lot of stuff > worth thinking about, like how many people are getting a very nice > income by jumping on the Climate Change bandwagon. You bet. Gravy train or what ? > Greenhouse Conspiracy was made way back in 1990 when the whole > Global Warming thing was just beginning. A few of the people in it also > appeared ~15 years later in GGWS. I've never seen that one. I did see a documentary some decades earlier (BBC I think) that said we were headed for a new Ice Age. I wish they could make their minds up ! Too many researchers chasing too many grants is my analysis. And AGW is simply 'flavour of the month' so it gets the lion's share. Graham > > > Has anyone watched "The Greenhouse Conspiracy" and "The Great Global > > > Warming Swindle"? Interesting viewing ... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > (havent got all of "greenhouse conspiracy" yet, its very slow) You know "The Great Global Warming Swindle" has been heavily criticised for alleged partiality ? I'll leave you to make your own judgement about that, but their sources were first class IMHO. Then think 'gravy train' and who has most to lose by showing that AGW is either a crock of sh.t or vastly overestimated. Graham > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ...... Phil Wots a flourescent lamp? >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > Wots a flourescent lamp? Can you make a cake with it? > Can you make a cake with it? Yes, but it will smell bad. Signaturehttp://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. "F Murtz" > Wots a flourescent lamp? ** Something the lighting industry intends to make a lot of * dough * out of. .... Phil > "F Murtz" >> Wots a flourescent lamp? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > .... Phil Geez.... |
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