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Electronics Forum / Electronics / August 2007Double Headed Fakes
Hi all, back in 2000/2001, DSE ( and others) were selling counterfeit Motorola power transistors, both over the counter and supplied in amplifier kits. This first came to my attention via to old " Electronics Australia Q&A Forum " when a NZ fellow posted about experiencing multiple, unaccountable blow-ups with his DSE 100 watt amp kits. Suspecting fake MJ devices, I picked up a sample MJ15003 device from my local ( Burwood, NSW) DSE store, tested it and then opened it up for a peek. What was inside was astonishing. You can see JPEGS of what I saw then, now, on ABSE. Same heading as here. ABSE = alt.binaries.schematics.electronic ....... Phil > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ....... Phil I have copped this in the past with unsatisfactory (IE: lasted about 10 mins in use) 2n6287 / 2n6284 devices Do you have a good source for genuine versions of these devices in Aus ? The genunine (and reliable) ones from the original amplifier were marked "GE/RCA" or the "M" (motorola symbol) "kreed" > I have copped this in the past with unsatisfactory (IE: lasted about > 10 mins in use) 2n6287 / 2n6284 devices ** Wot - with two chips inside ?? If not, then you are on a whole nuther issue. > Do you have a good source for genuine versions of these devices in > Aus ? ** Post that question to the NG - not me. ...... Phil > > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Do you have a good source for genuine versions of these devices in > Aus ? The 2N6284 is available from Farnell Dave. > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ....... Phil What did the CEO of Woolies have to say when you informed him that his organisation was engaged in fraudulent and deceptive activities? You did tell him, didn't you :) "swanny" > What did the CEO of Woolies have to say when you informed him that his > organisation was engaged in fraudulent and deceptive activities? ** Were they ? That would be a stretch, based on the facts available and would just be hotly denied. DSE staff eventually informed themselves of there being a bit of a problem when some of the " MJ15004s " turned out to be NPN !! This page has some more info on the story. http://sound.westhost.com/fake/counterfeit-p1.htm#mj15003 Mr Elliot was first informed about of the fakes being on sale by me, then did his own investigations. Other MJ numbers were involved and I also discovered fake RCA 2N3771s on sale at DSE stores a bit later on. I can tell you for a fact that neither the NSW police, NSW Fair Trading, the TPC, the NZ Commerce Commission nor the Federal Police or even my local federal member of parliament could give a hoot about DSE (or anyone else ) importing and/or trading in fake electronic components with forged trademarks. Makes you feel real safe - eh ? ....... Phil > "swanny" >> What did the CEO of Woolies have to say when you informed him that his [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That would be a stretch, based on the facts available and would just be > hotly denied. I'm sure Martin di Stasio would make it into a hard-hitting story anyway! > DSE staff eventually informed themselves of there being a bit of a problem > when some of the " MJ15004s " turned out to be NPN !! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Other MJ numbers were involved and I also discovered fake RCA 2N3771s on > sale at DSE stores a bit later on. I remember when DSE had their own brand of jelly-bean transistors. I wonder how good they ever were? > I can tell you for a fact that neither the NSW police, NSW Fair Trading, the > TPC, the NZ Commerce Commission nor the Federal Police or even my local > federal member of parliament could give a hoot about DSE (or anyone else ) > importing and/or trading in fake electronic components with forged > trademarks. You're right. Counterfeit currency, DVD's, CD's, software and even clothing get a higher profile and more attention than components. I guess it's up to the various trademark owners to police and prosecute if they can. > Makes you feel real safe - eh ? No, not really. Given the amount of Chinese rubbish that breaks down in no time it's not surprising that they aren't filled with counterfeit components. > ....... Phil "swanny" >>> What did the CEO of Woolies have to say when you informed him that his >>> organisation was engaged in fraudulent and deceptive activities? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm sure Martin di Stasio would make it into a hard-hitting story anyway! ** Lemme assure ya - the general public are just not interested in anything even half so *geeky * as fake components being sold to hobbyists and repair techs. So neither are the media. >> DSE staff eventually informed themselves of there being a bit of a >> problem [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > wonder how > good they ever were? ** Irrelevant. >> I can tell you for a fact that neither the NSW police, NSW Fair Trading, >> the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the > various trademark owners to police and prosecute if they can. ** They could not, even if they wanted to, cos you have got to know who the culprit is and catch them red handed with the stock. Only the police, customs officials etc have the powers of entry, search, seizure and the ability to insist that folk associated with the scam supply information or face prosecution for obstruction. Eg - police would start at DSEs head office, interview all the purchasing staff, demand to see relevant purchase documents, find out exactly where the fakes came from AND what was done with the ones that were not sold. Motorola cannot do any of that PLUS are not interested in spoiling relations with one of their bests customers for mobile phones. ...... Phil > "swanny" >>>> What did the CEO of Woolies have to say when you informed him that his [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > So neither are the media. So that wouldn't be the story - too geeky as you say, and a big audience turn-off. So how about something like this instead, just to improve the ratings: "In today's world, everyone's lives are affected by technology and electronics. From the humble kitchen appliance to air traffic systems, communications, water and electricity infrastructure and transport." [shots of airport/atc/planes][shot of traffic lights, trains][shot of cellphones, comms towers][shot of dams, generators and power control centre][shot of TMC]. "Imagine if all this was under threat from unscrupulous operators flooding the industry with substandard counterfeit components, the building blocks that make all this possible. Imagine these fake components being virtually indistinguishable from the real ones and may fail at any time." [shots of traffic chaos, meltdown in trading room, plane on fire, blackouts etc] "Well it would appear that such a scenario may be unfolding as several industry professionals have discovered..." >>> DSE staff eventually informed themselves of there being a bit of a >>> problem [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > ...... Phil "swanny" >> ** Lemme assure ya - the general public are just not interested in >> anything even half so *geeky * as fake components being sold to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > industry > professionals have discovered..." ** That would be a colossal " beat up " . ....... Phil > "swanny" > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > ....... Phil Sure would. Something the tabloid TV channels would be eager to do :) [Mike]: Looks at camera, serious face, nods. "Mmmmmmm. Distrurbing story. We'll be back with more right after the break." [Looks down, shuffles papers]. "swanny" >>> So how about something like this instead, just to improve the ratings: >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Sure would. Something the tabloid TV channels would be eager to do :) ** Bollocks. You are an utter IDIOT. > >> So how about something like this instead, just to improve the ratings: > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> industry > >> professionals have discovered..." > > ** That would be a colossal " beat up " . > Sure would. Something the tabloid TV channels would be eager to do :) > > [Mike]: Looks at camera, serious face, nods. "Mmmmmmm. Distrurbing story. We'll > be back with more right after the break." [Looks down, shuffles papers]. OK, you've done all the hard work for them, now send them the script :-) MrT. On Aug 25, 8:05 am, swanny <blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote: > > "swanny" > >>>> What did the CEO of Woolies have to say when you informed him that his [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > "Well it would appear that such a scenario may be unfolding as several industry > professionals have discovered..." There was such an article along those exact lines on one of those programs during the 1990s about counterfeit bolts and fasteners ending up in aircraft and possibly vehicles. Many of these were sub standard (were not high tensile where they were supposed to be) and were even falsely marked. I dont know what the end result was of this being exposed to the public "kreed" > There was such an article along those exact lines on one of those > programs during the 1990s about counterfeit bolts and fasteners ending > up in aircraft and possibly vehicles. Many of these were sub standard > (were not high tensile where they were supposed to be) and were even > falsely marked. ** I remember seeing that on TV - scary stuff. > I dont know what the end result was of this being exposed to the > public ** Well, I for one have never got on board a plane since .... But seeing as jet airliners REALLY crash because some maintenance guy left a switch in the wrong position or covered up crucial sensors with gaffa tape, or some fool loaded incendiary devices into the cargo hold or a door latch was not fully locked etc etc ... Fake bolts are entirely unnecessary. ....... Phil :-0 > There was such an article along those exact lines on one of those > programs during the 1990s about counterfeit bolts and fasteners ending > up in aircraft and possibly vehicles. Many of these were sub standard > (were not high tensile where they were supposed to be) and were even > falsely marked. Yep, and is still happening of course. And the airlines are now even employing unqualified safety inspectors it seems :-( > I dont know what the end result was of this being exposed to the > public Just as you might expect, bugger all! MrT. "kreed" > There was such an article along those exact lines on one of those > programs during the 1990s about counterfeit bolts and fasteners ending [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I dont know what the end result was of this being exposed to the > public ** Google turned up one air crash that was attributed to the use of counterfeit and substandard bolts. In 1989, a Norwegian Convair 580 (a bit like a DC3) crashed after losing its tail fin - 55 people were killed. BTW It is very sobering to look at the very looooong list of fatal airliner crashes in the last 20 years or so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_accidents_and_incidents_on_commerci al_aircraft EG An Airbus A300 nosed dived into a NY suburb in 2003 killing all 260 on board just after take off - for no better reason than the pilot was too " rough " in his handing of the ruder controls, causing it to snap off due to overload. ...... Phil > "kreed" > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > ...... Phil Interesting to note that looking at those lists, 2007 has the highest number of accidents / incidents listed out of any year in that page, and 2007 is nowhere near finished yet. "kreed" "Phil Allison" >> > There was such an article along those exact lines on one of those >> > programs during the 1990s about counterfeit bolts and fasteners ending [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> its >> tail fin - 55 people were killed. ** Why did " kreed " completely ignore this ? Dearly love to know. >> BTW >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > number of accidents / incidents listed out of any year in that page, > and 2007 is nowhere near finished yet. ** Then try to be a smart by posting this nonsense. The listing is FAR from comprehensive in any year. See the word " notable " ?? Means any damn thing they like. ....... Phil > ** Google turned up one air crash that was attributed to the use of > counterfeit and substandard bolts. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ...... Phil But can you remember the crash of Vickers Viscount VH-TVC into Botany Bay in November 1961 with the loss of all on board? Story at http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/Vickers%20Viscount%20VH-TVC.htm Bob "Bob Parker" > But can you remember the crash of Vickers Viscount VH-TVC into Botany > Bay in November 1961 with the loss of all on board? > Story at http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/Vickers%20Viscount%20VH-TVC.htm ** This arvo, when browsing that long list on Wiki of " notable incidents " I searched for an early 1960s Viscount crash - since I was sure there WAS one back then in Aussie. Only I had the idea it went down in Bass straight ? ...... Phil > "Bob Parker" > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ...... Phil According to http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/aircraft_detail.cgi?aircraft=Vickers+Viscount (turn your popup blocker on) there have been three Viscount crashes in Aust: in Sydney, Port Hedland and Winton. There've been a few plane crashes in Bass Strait, but no Viscounts got mentioned, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_Strait_Triangle#History_of_Incidents_-_Aviation Bob Speaking of air disasters and counterfeit parts, during one really bad thunderstorm at night I heard this plane come down less than 2Km from where I lived: http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=10231975®=VH-CLS&air line=Connair+Ply http://stoenworks.com/Flying%20the%204-engined.html My Dad was almost booked on that flight but was able to an earlier flight due to a cancelled booking and was home when it crashed on approach. As far as counterfeit parts go it's common for helicopter parts "out of hours" or past their use by date to be pressed back into service. Certain models of helicopters are known to shed rotor blades and over the years have had the official service lifetime of the blades reduced more than once due to "accidents". My favourite story was of the 1950's vintage Hiller helicopter that used laminated wood and metal rotor blades: the engineers fitted a new set and could not get them to dynamically balance at all. Further inspection found the blades were counterfeits that had been made of palm tree wood at a local Egyptian carpenter's. This occurred in the 1980's sometime if I recall correctly. > What did the CEO of Woolies have to say when you informed him that his > organisation was engaged in fraudulent and deceptive activities? > > You did tell him, didn't you :) As if you could actually speak to the CEO, or he would care if you did. MrT. "Phil Allison" > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You can see JPEGS of what I saw then, now, on ABSE. ** Or here: http://www.usenet-replayer.com/groups/alt.binaries.schematics.electronic.html Look for: " Double Headed Fakes MEX190 " 002.jpeg & 003.jpeg. .......... Phil |
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