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Electronics Forum / Electronics / October 2003Carrier Pidgeon beats Bigpond
Hi to all, who saw the ACA item tonight where a humble, grey, female pigeon with a 64MB memory chip tied to its leg was put in a race with Bigpond Dial Up Internet to deliver that much data to a town 30 kilometres away ?? The pigeon won hands down. ROTFLMAO. ............. Phil > Hi to all, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ............. Phil I reckon a guy with a cleft stick could have beaten them, over an hour before the message even started to download. Geez, Australia Post could do better. Al > I reckon a guy with a cleft stick could have beaten them, over an hour > before the message even started to download. Which would of course have nothing to do with the dial up connection most of us use even in the cities, not just Kyogle. I wonder what they did before internet, let alone broad band? TonyP. >> I reckon a guy with a cleft stick could have beaten them, over an hour >> before the message even started to download. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >TonyP. They would have sent stuff through the post on floppy or magnetic tape - used the old 300 baud modems (if you were a real high tech organisation) or used telex machine. For mail of course they would just write/type it in a letter :) > They would have sent stuff through the post on floppy or magnetic tape > - used the old 300 baud modems (if you were a real high tech > organisation) or used telex machine. For mail of course they would > just write/type it in a letter :) Yep, but not those carrier pigeons? :-) TonyP. > I wonder what they did before internet, let alone broad band? We used to say "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of magtapes". I suppose now it'd be a 777 full of DVDs :-). Yup, I did distributed software development by moving stuff over an acoustic coupler, we used the compiler to do error detection :-) >> I wonder what they did before internet, let alone broad band? > > We used to say "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon > full of magtapes". I suppose now it'd be a 777 full of DVDs :-). > Yup, I did distributed software development by moving stuff over an > acoustic coupler, we used the compiler to do error detection :-) this is what I do. It is cheaper an faster to take a 40gig Hardrive 100km than transfer it through any line. It would be more easy if we could setup out own privite links but thanks to the Communications act I must bye stuff off telstra or pay for hardware that is not needed but standardised on Helstras network then pay to intergrate my Hardware to their network hence get charged for every Octet that goes into their pipes,which I would have to supply the hole world with data and communications to be able to not be Bankcrupt for transfering the 40gig. I bumped into Microwave being used in the US large scale a while back then found out recently we use Microwave here(thought it would be out lawed) which can do 50mbps over 40miles between repeaters and now I am really spinning out.(just the other day I found we had this used in Australia and in some areas links in bigger scale ) The hole of Australia could have broadband(fast) if someone called helstra did not write the communications act. I have now a LARGE Sea traveling Optic cable 2km from my house and on the other side a giant Microwave link less than 5 km away. The area will never see broadband and there is not a thing I can do about it. Believe me I have tried for two years to open the full rural area to 1mbps residential connections in my state to try to suggest they were all nutcases. Its too easy,its been done in areas where there is room for competition like the US. I can do our area with my stuff for less than $25,000 excluding a link into a data pipe. 250sq km of Broadband in the middle of the bush. Costs helstra $25,000 to think about moving with all the cisco consultants they have to hire. > Which would of course have nothing to do with the dial up connection most of > us use even in the cities, not just Kyogle. > I wonder what they did before internet, let alone broad band? I have joyful memories of posting disks about the place taped to bits of cardboard and cassette tapes wrapped in alfoil as well. I could get a disk to melbourne in 2 days but it took 3 days for a disk to make it back to me. It wasn't that difficult, things just happened more slowly and you appreciated it a lot more when you got it. CoCoOz and Austin Rainbow were just fantastic at the time. Megan >> Hi to all, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >before the message even started to download. Geez, Australia Post could >do better. Well, you must have a better postie than me. Mine has spatial difficulties. For some reason she thinks that a mail article the size of a Readers Digest can't fit through a 200mm x 30mm aperture. As for Bigpond, I can't comment on their rural performance except to say that a typical metropolitan dialup, with any decent ISP, would give a throughput for compressed files of the order of 5KBps. Assuming the 64MB chip was full, then an average dialup connection would require about 3.6 hours to tranmsit this much data. This means that a pigeon would need to fly at only 10kph to beat it. - Franc Zabkar  SignaturePlease remove one 's' from my address when replying by email. Now just to fit a 100 spindle of cds over each leg..... ;) >Hi to all, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >............. Phil >Hi to all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ROTFLMAO. You even get a free meal with each download. yes the pigeon was pregnant also. A pregnant, carrier pigeon beats Telstra, might get a job offer out of this media stunt, wont download porn at work and will happily accept chicken feed for pay. Sounds like a perfect Exce Officer. Teach the board the art of flight. tony.r plant the seed >yes the pigeon was pregnant also. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Sounds like a perfect Exce Officer. Would the pigeon be entitled to maternity leave? >Teach the board the art of flight. > >tony.r >plant the seed - Franc Zabkar SignaturePlease remove one 's' from my address when replying by email. Yes, a nice stunt. However, if the task was to transfer 64MB between towns, I would consider snail- mailing a flash chip to be a reasonable choice. Personally, i would not attempt it on dial-up. but then I do download a FreeBSD .iso every few months.... > >Hi to all, > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > ROTFLMAO. > Yes, a nice stunt. > > However, if the task was to transfer 64MB between towns, I would consider > snail- > mailing a flash chip to be a reasonable choice. Personally, i would not > attempt it on dial-up. I usually just snail mail a CDRom. 700 Mbyte for $2 including disk, packing and postage. TonyP. >> However, if the task was to transfer 64MB between towns, >> I would consider snail-mailing a flash chip to be a reasonable >> choice. Personally, i would not attempt it on dial-up. > I usually just snail mail a CDRom. 700 Mbyte > for $2 including disk, packing and postage. You'll find they can be posted for 50c if you just have a single bit of thickish cardboard on one side. So a total cost of $1 is easy. "Phil Allison" wrote in message... > Hi to all, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The pigeon won hands down. Unfortunately, there are a couple of problems with this test. Sure it's good for the fun value, but has no real worth. Why couldn't you just strap a couple of dvds. Even cable, regardless of ISP, would have trouble trying to download this much in the time that was not specified. Besides, the test could have been done with Optus, or whatever, with the same results. Andrew Howard > "Phil Allison" wrote in message... > > Hi to all, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > The pigeon won hands down. > Unfortunately, there are a couple of problems with this test. Sure it's good > for the fun value, but has no real worth. ** You did not see the item so cannot say. > Why couldn't you just strap a couple of dvds. ** Huh ? To a pigeon ? Even cable, regardless of ISP, > would have trouble trying to download this much in the time that was not > specified. ** The memory module was not by any means full of data - just a few emails IIRC. > Besides, the test could have been done with Optus, or whatever, with the > same results. ** Since there is only one set of phone lines in the area - naturally. ........... Phil >> "Phil Allison" wrote in message... >> > Hi to all, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ** Huh ? To a pigeon ? 100 pack spindle over each leg :p >Even cable, regardless of ISP, >> would have trouble trying to download this much in the time that was not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >........... Phil Ya but Optus don't sit there stroking over how they have the whole of rural Australia f.cked right up with Government garbage. > "Phil Allison" wrote in message... > > Hi to all, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Andrew Howard |
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