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NEC tv 'ticking'

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evil bob - 28 Jun 2003 13:01 GMT
Hello all;

I have a NEC  TV, model fs-5185 (51 cm) that over the last couple of months
has a wierd fault of intermittently making a 'ticking' noise, and the screen
flickers and dots appear on the screen as it does it. I can't isolate it to
any particular situation, it does it on all channels, on all video modes, on
warm days, cold days, whatever. Sometimes it does it so frequently it is
impossible to watch! It seems - at a guess the HT power supply
intermittently failing?

Any ideas out there? The tv is only a few years old, so I don't want to
ditch it yet. I am thinking of taking it to an experienced tv repairman, but
I am concerned about the repair cost being more than the price of a new set
with the faultfinding  for this fault.

Thanks in advance!

Ian
Phil Allison - 28 Jun 2003 13:05 GMT
> Hello all;
>
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> I am concerned about the repair cost being more than the price of a new set
> with the faultfinding  for this fault.

  **  Might just  need a good clean up around the tube and EHT sections.

        Metho and some tissue works well.

............   Phil
M.R.Van Luyn. - 30 Jun 2003 09:14 GMT
>    **  Might just  need a good clean up around the tube and EHT sections.
>
>          Metho and some tissue works well.

Make sure you wait for the metho to evaporate first. I told a non technical
friend to fix his own telly this way, and he set the whole thing alight.
Woof...Mmmwww...panic!

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Murray.
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Hairy Plotter - 28 Jun 2003 13:08 GMT
From experience, and general opinion on the newsgroup,
get it repaired, or at least checked, immediately before this minor ticking
becomes a serious and costly KERSPLAT !! (yes, it did sound like a KERSPLAT
!!)
Personal experience speaking here, TV still in corner awaiting my amateur
time to look at it, while watching a lesser quality spare TV.

Hairy_Plotter

> Hello all;
>
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>
> Ian
evil bob - 28 Jun 2003 13:21 GMT
Kersplat...hmmm.....sounds bad and smoky.

I'll have a crack at it with the electronic cleaning spray? I would imagine
there is a lot of dust and crap in there.

Thanks

Ian

> From experience, and general opinion on the newsgroup,
> get it repaired, or at least checked, immediately before this minor ticking
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>
>  Hairy_Plotter
Phil Allison - 28 Jun 2003 13:26 GMT
> Kersplat...hmmm.....sounds bad and smoky.
>
> I'll have a crack at it with the electronic cleaning spray? I would imagine
> there is a lot of dust and crap in there.

   **  Try a vacuum cleaner and a soft paint brush first - then use a rag
or tissue dipped in metho to clean around the back of the tube and EHT
wires.

        Forget the solvent sprays - it is only house dust and carbonised
dust.

...........    Phil
evil bob - 28 Jun 2003 13:37 GMT
Ahhh...I am in the electrical industry, but TV's are a bit of a mystery.
Anything I should be aware of, Zappage wise- aside fom the normal 240v
stuff. What should I avoid around the eht? Or is this more of a job for mr
tvrepair man?

Ian

> > Kersplat...hmmm.....sounds bad and smoky.
> >
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>
> ...........    Phil
Craig Rodgers - 28 Jun 2003 14:14 GMT
Also take care as the tube it self can acts a very high voltage (+20kV ish)
capacitor. You have to really try to get a belt from it but the capacitance
is there, it's in the order of a few hundred Picofarads so if you are
talented it probably wont kill you but it leave you sore for a bit

If in doubt take it to a service man. most of the ones I've every spoken to
don't really like fixing TV's & Video's after amateurs have "had a go",
although that never really stoped me :)

Craig

> Ahhh...I am in the electrical industry, but TV's are a bit of a mystery.
> Anything I should be aware of, Zappage wise- aside fom the normal 240v
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> > ...........    Phil
KLR - 30 Jun 2003 17:01 GMT
>Also take care as the tube it self can acts a very high voltage (+20kV ish)
>capacitor. You have to really try to get a belt from it but the capacitance
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>
>Craig

I don't know about modern sets or monitors - but with many of the 80's
models I worked on some years back  - there was still quite a healthy
ZAP to be had from under that ultor cap for some time after turning
off power to the set/monitor.  Some sets did - some didn;t.  but
personally its not a chance I would take.

I even had several of these old computer monitors of the same model
that would run for about 30 seconds and then fail.   Fault turned out
to be high voltage capacitors that had failed in the horizontal output
stage and caused the EHT to go sky high before the x=ray protection
cut in and killed power.

The zaps that came from a couple of  these with  this fault conditon
were amazing.  in once case I saw a spark jump from under the sealed
ultor cap and across to the metalwork that supported the tube about
2-3 inch away from the cap edge.  

These certainly went off with a bang when ultor discharged even after
power was removed.  One even gave a nasty and painful shock (with the
mains removed) from putting my hand about an inch from the ultor cap

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Cleaning procedure I always followed was:

I would strongly advise earthing the ultor cap lead to the bare wire
that is spring loaded across the outside of the back of the tube.  I
used a multimeter lead typically for this - slide the long probe end
under the cap and discharge.  

Clean the hole, cap and surround thoroughly - immediately after
discharging and promptly replace the ultor lead in the hole.  

Pull it gently afterwards to make sure it has locked into the hole
properly and won't fall out.  

If it does fall - and lands on the PCB in the set - it might do a hell
of a lot of damage to components.

>> Ahhh...I am in the electrical industry, but TV's are a bit of a mystery.
>> Anything I should be aware of, Zappage wise- aside fom the normal 240v
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>> > ...........    Phil
 
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