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Electronics Forum / Electronics / April 2004DVD player to VCR to TV
Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days ago and some DVD movies to watch. We connected the unit up with the RCA connectors provided, to the VCR as it had RCA connectors also. The TV only has a coax cable connector. There was no coax connector on the DVD player. What a disappointment, the picture varied in brightness on one VCR, we tried another VCR and the picture would disappear all together. Anyway four VCRs were tried. One was watchable and three were annoying to watch. Being puzzled, I rang a friend and was told about this deliberately introduced signal to bugger up the copying of movies. I was pissed off as we only want to watch a movie and can only connect up to the TV via the VCR. It seems we need a RF modulator unit. So the boy is off to buy one. So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit? Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it? Have any of you chaps looked into this problem? I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I am only interested in technical stuff. ;-) Regards, John Crighton Hornsby >Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, >my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I >am only interested in technical stuff. ;-) Oatley did/do still? sell a kit to remove this crap, but in reality - you should take the player back to the retailer and blast them and waste as much of their time and effort as possible and make them think twice about stocking crap like this, or not informing the consumer of it. Demand the modulator free as they have sold faulty goods - wasted a considerable amount of your time (and time is money) getting something to work that should just plug in and play. Stuff like this simply (IMHO) isnt of marketable quality, and they have a duty of care in this matter (IMHO) To me, A modulator still isnt a good solution though as you will most likely have to unplug the aerial and plug it in every time you want to watch a DVD, unless you can find a one that switches signal or combines it with the existing aerial feed without any signal loss occuring >Regards, >John Crighton >Hornsby <KLR> (John Crighton) > wrote: > >So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit? > >Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > twice about stocking crap like this, or not informing the consumer of > it. ** No DVD player made ( VCR/DVD combos notwithstanding) has an RF output - all are intended to be used with AV equipped TV sets. Sales staff know this and usually warn the naive. The DVD I bought (a Sanyo) has this fact printed on the outside of the carton in BIG PRINT. > Demand the modulator free as they have sold faulty goods - wasted > a considerable amount of your time (and time is money) getting > something to work that should just plug in and play. Stuff like this > simply (IMHO) isnt of marketable quality, and they have a duty of care > in this matter (IMHO) ** What utter crap. ............... Phil >Oatley did/do still? sell a kit to remove this crap, but in reality - >you should take the player back to the retailer and blast them and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >simply (IMHO) isnt of marketable quality, and they have a duty of care >in this matter (IMHO) Err, it's a requirement for players to output macrovision, same thing with region coding. I know that cheap chinese players don't and I have no idea why they don't. Certainly when players were first released region coding and macrovision were standard on all players. The goods aren't faulty - thats the way it's designed. To the OP: There are cheap chinese made players that do have macrovision disabled, or are able to be turned off via the menus, see if you can return the model and swap for one of these. > >Oatley did/do still? sell a kit to remove this crap, but in reality - > >you should take the player back to the retailer and blast them and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > macrovision disabled, or are able to be turned off via the menus, see > if you can return the model and swap for one of these. My DVD player is only one of those el-cheapo models sold on special at Target, and it plays fine through our VCR aux. input. Never had any problems with it at all. Sometimes more expensive isn't better!!!!! welcome to last century > Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, > my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > John Crighton > Hornsby John, Jaycar sell a unit which will remove the macrovision from DVD players - at least on the ones I have tried it on. A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose and see if you can get a another macrovision free model. Ross >Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, >my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >John Crighton >Hornsby "RMD" <ross_dalyNS@yahoo.com> > John, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It > might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose..... ** What purpose is that - copying DVDs illegally ???? > and see if you can get a another macrovision free model. ** Or buy a modern VCR that is not affected by macro-vision unless making a recording or buy a modern AV equipped TV set. ............ Phil >> A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It >> might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose..... > What purpose is that Use with a TV that only has RF input, fuckwit. "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> > Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> > >> A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It > >> might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose..... > > > What purpose is that > > Use with a TV that only has RF input, fuckwit. ** Not a purpose it is described as being fit for - you arsehole fuckhead. ........... Phil > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Use with a TV that only has RF input, fuckwit. > Not a purpose it is described as being fit for Not a f.cking clue. As always. No wonder you've always been completely unemployable. >John, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose >and see if you can get a another macrovision free model. Agreed - I dont think it to be unreasonable to have a DVD player (or VCR - Laserdisc - VCD player) with AV outputs play faultlessly on a TV through a VCR's AV inputs. If you were returning it complaining that you couldnt RECORD from a commercial DVD - then they would be within their rights telling you to go and get stuffed - but its quite reasonable to expect trouble-free PLAYBACK through any australian market VCR. >Ross > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>John Crighton >>Hornsby > Agreed - I dont think it to be unreasonable to have a DVD player (or > VCR - Laserdisc - VCD player) with AV outputs play faultlessly on a TV > through a VCR's AV inputs. ** DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices to be used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems - feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality. There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those who want to use their players in this non recommended way. > If you were returning it complaining that you couldnt RECORD from a > commercial DVD - then they would be within their rights telling you to > go and get stuffed - but its quite reasonable to expect trouble-free > PLAYBACK through any australian market VCR. ** Once you know the basic facts - it is not reasonable to expect any such stupid thing. ........... Phil >> Agreed - I dont think it to be unreasonable to have a >> DVD player (or VCR - Laserdisc - VCD player) with AV >> outputs play faultlessly on a TV through a VCR's AV inputs. > DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices > to be used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems Wrong. As always. They're actually sold as devices that will play a DVD thru what you currently have. > feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator > for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality. Irrelevant. Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape. If the particular DVD player cant be used except with a TV which has AV inputs, its should say so on big letters on the outside of the box. If it doesnt, you're entitled to a full refund when you find that it aint fit for the purpose you bought it for. > There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those > who want to use their players in this non recommended way. Fraid so, there is the tiny matter of the consumer law on that. No wonder you're completely unemployable. >> If you were returning it complaining that you couldnt RECORD >> from a commercial DVD - then they would be within their rights >> telling you to go and get stuffed - but its quite reasonable to expect >> trouble-free PLAYBACK through any australian market VCR. > Once you know the basic facts - it is not > reasonable to expect any such stupid thing. Not a f.cking clue. As always. "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com.. > Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au > > DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices > > to be used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems > > Wrong. As always. They're actually sold as devices > that will play a DVD thru what you currently have. ** No such claim is made by DVD makers. > > feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator > > for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality. > > Irrelevant. ** It is the REASON that no RF output is fitted. > Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape. ** Irrelevant to the purpose their makers indicate. > > There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those > > who want to use their players in this non recommended way. > > Fraid so, there is the tiny matter of the consumer law on that. ** There is no such consumer law. > No wonder you're completely unemployable. ** No wonder Rod is a welfare bludger and postures as the pig god of usenet arseholes. ............ Phil >> Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au >>> DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices >>> to be used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems >> Wrong. As always. They're actually sold as devices >> that will play a DVD thru what you currently have. > No such claim is made by DVD makers. Not a f.cking clue. As always. >>> feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator >>> for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality. >> Irrelevant. > It is the REASON that no RF output is fitted. Irrelevant when someone chooses to run it thru the VCR so they can watch it on a TV that only has RF input. >> Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape. > Irrelevant to the purpose their makers indicate. No such 'indication', fuckwit. >>> There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those >>> who want to use their players in this non recommended way. >> Fraid so, there is the tiny matter of the consumer law on that. > There is no such consumer law. Wrong. As always. No wonder you're completely unemployable. "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> > Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> > No such claim is made by DVD makers. > > Not a f.cking clue. As always. ** This means Rod the Pig God admits error. > >>> feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator > >>> for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Irrelevant ...... ** Nothing is relevant to what it is was not related to. > >> Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape. > > > Irrelevant to the purpose their makers indicate. > > No such 'indication', fuckwit. ** Rod the Pig God admits error again. > >>> There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those > >>> who want to use their players in this non recommended way. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wrong. As always. ** Rod the Pig God admits error a third time. .......... Phil Some completely unemployable fuckwit claiming to be and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always. No wonder its completely unemployable. > Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, > my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I > am only interested in technical stuff. ;-) Many DVD players can be moded to remove macrovision. Can be as simple as a hidden menu option, or more complex like a hardware modification. Depends on the model, and there are plenty of web sites that describe the different models and what mods you can make to them. Not all DVD's are macrovision encoded either, so some should play just fine on your set. There are various kits around that do the job also, SC did a "Dr Video" one or something a while back. I don't know how effective it is though, I've heard there are slightly different types of macrovision and not all kits work 100%. But really, you need a TV with AV inputs. Brand new 51cm jobs can be had for under $300. A macrovision kit may set you back say $60 or more and aren't guaranteed to work, especially since your set seems to be extra sensitive to this. Google to your hearts content, there is plenty of info out there on macrovision. Regards Dave :) let me know what your dvd model number / name is and i'll search for macrovision hacks (some require you to press a number combination on the remote and some require a flash update >let me know what your dvd model number / name is and i'll search for >macrovision hacks (some require you to press a number combination on the >remote and some require a flash update Hello All, thankyou for all the replies. I am now learning more about these things. I wasn't intererested in DVD players, until my son brought this unit home a few days ago. The unit is a Prima model PDV2150 $80 from woollies supermarket. Regards, John Crighton Hornsby You need an RF Modulator. Below is a link that carries them. This works great I use one myself. http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7411 Not expensive. Easy Fix. >Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, >my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >John Crighton >Hornsby >You need an RF Modulator. > >Below is a link that carries them. This works great I use one myself. >http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7411 > >Not expensive. Easy Fix. For a problem that shouldnt be there in the first place.... >>Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, >>my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>John Crighton >>Hornsby <KLR> Nino <nonayabiz@aol.com> wrote: > >Not expensive. Easy Fix. > > > For a problem that shouldnt be there in the first place.... ** There is no reasoning with a zealot is there ? ......... Phil John, I have the latest Jaycar catalogue. They advertise a Channel 0/1 transmitter which will accept video and stereo sound to re-transmit on Channel 0/1. They are about $20. (I somehow doubt they really transmit in stereo, but I don't actually know.) Ross >Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts, >my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >John Crighton >Hornsby |
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